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Luann by Greg Evans and Karen Evans for March 26, 2015
March 25, 2015
March 27, 2015
Transcript:
Teacher: "By destroying your 17 self-portraits, you have CREATED!"
Teacher: "This is artistic FREEDOM! You are liberated!, Luann!"
Teacher: "How do you feel?"
Luann: "Uh... Torn?"
Wow! Personally, this reminds me of some of the âmotifsâ in â1984â (âDoubleThinkâ, for oneâŠ) â Okay, maybe in some ways, also "Farenheit 451?
âContradictionaryââFruit Of The LoonââTo The Beat Of Your Own ConundrumââAn Irregular PatternââThe Sound Of Silenceâ (â«)âSame DifferenceââYouâre A Whole Half, Luann DeGroot!ââCreative DestructionââTorn Of DutyââThe Darkest LightââStrong As An Oxymoronâorâ2 Tickets To Paradoxâ (â«)
Me thinks Luann should look the teach in the eye and say " I canât believe your getting paid to teach this class..I am out of here.."
Problem itâs probably past the time one can drop the class..not sure how many classes she is taking either..but this one , teacher, is a Kook in my bookâŠ
This âArt Instructorâ is a Nut-Case. Does this guy have a teaching degree from a University or did he get one out of a Box of Cracker Jack? I was hoping that Luann would have said âNO!â to dropping her stuff in the shredder and found herself another teacher. Really all that work wasted she might as well handed in blank paper.
it feels like a black pot is saying I am excellent and I need you not to be black to a kettle , or would that be âcracked potâ telling the kettle I am good and I donât want you to be a cracked kettle??
Actually, in âNineteen Eighty Fourâ it did destroyâŠ.it reworked, rewrote, and destroyedâŠ.those in Oceania who became âunpersonsâ were removed, even from pictures. There was torture, and the elimination of words, to the point of the invented language, âNewspeakââŠthat part, in itself, was a form of destruction (of language)âŠâ For ââŠ.451â, The â?âwas to indicate a âloose associationâ. The theme of destroying books, as used in the story, for some âgrand purposeââŠ
The original assignment wasnât to create art, it was to produce 17 self-portraits, each using a different style of art. So now heâs telling her that completing an assignment â doing what youâre told â is confining? Thatâs news to a teen-ager and full-time student?
Has anyone seen the TV show, The Paper Chase? The professor told the class that their heads were full of mush, and it was his job to turn them into lawyers. This is what Zebo is doing.
is part of Zeboâs evil plan, the students lose all âselfâ and thus create art that Zebo can claim it was him âŠâŠâŠ. the piece shown in the âfind wedding venue weekâ was not by Zebo, was by Ann eiffel when she was a student, and that is why she hates men
if we go by going for 2 years degree, u correct, but lot of kids going to 2 years colleges use it as stepping stones, and those classes becomes equivalent to 1.5 to 2 years of university, and than do 2 more years of study at university to get a 4 years degree, and the 4 years degree would be measured by where they go those 2 last years
and BTW, just like generic products and brand names products, what one studies in University of Texas at San Antonio would be same as what one studies in Standford or even same degrees done in Yale âŠâŠâŠâŠ just that people get more âAWEDâ if someone is graduate of Yale over one from UTSA
some people go to colleges because of âeconomicsâ, is not accurate, but just to show the image of how it is âŠâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠ. 2 people from same school, one goes to University of âANYCITYâ for 4 years paying a total of 100,000 (25K per year) while the other decides to go 2 years in Saint Exupery College and last 2 years in University of ANYCITY paying 70,000 ( 2 years of college for 10K per year and 2 years of university for 25K per year)
Well, Professor, you have ordered the destruction of the effort of possibly the only student to take the assignment seriously. Perhaps, you have imparted a great philosophical point, but you have probably destroyed motivation. Bravo.
I wonder whether the art that Luann produces from here on out will be any different, now that she has âliberatedâ herself from her sense of âselfâ. I wonder whether that will carry over into the rest of her life â will she be less self-centered?-Anyway, for those folks who were predicting yesterday that the shredder really wouldnât work or that Zebo really wanted the students to refuse to carry out the shredding â that is not how he does things. The water balloon incident made that clear. So get ready for more of the same, during the rest of the semester.
You called it â if they really have a problem with what this guy is trying to teach them in this course, then in future years they can use their art skills to become cartoonists and create ridiculous characters in syndicated comic strips just to mock him.
what happens when it becomes the other studentâs turn â does the âjockâ put the teach through the shredder? does the âgothâ throw a look of disinterest and say nothing?stay tuned for another dramatic strip tomorrow when luann bursts into tears(word purposely chosen for its double definition) and does an emotional scene complete with a 2 minute over dramatized, dying soliloquy and tells the prof ânow thatâs artâ
And what about the highly prized âself portraitsâ done early in various artistsâ careers, probably because they couldnât afford to hire an actual model? Everyone from Adolf Hitler to Pablo Picasso.
Perhaps the other two students have taken (and failed) this class already and knew this was going to happen. Or perhaps they heard from other students who have already taken the class. News like this spreads very quickly. Because Luann is a newcomer she didnât know.
I, too, am torn by this art teacher. One part of art is technique. It needs to be learned â the light and shadow, the perspective, the color â (speaking of the graphic arts, not sculpture or other areas which have their own essentials) â these are the building blocks. Over time, anyone can learn these and improve their skills.
The other part is learning to reach inside oneself and bring out the passion and feeling that goes into creating art which is not only aesthetically pleasing but which has meaning for the artist and for the viewer. These are more difficult to teach and to learn. (Things that are deliberately unpleasant can still be âgood art,â but thatâs a âwhole ânother subject.â)
If Zebo is trying to get this lesson across, he gets points in the plus column, but I question his methods. Cruelty or emotional abuse is never the right way to teach a lesson. From what Iâve seen so far, he could swing either way. His physical manifestation as Greg has drawn him tends to push him toward the shallow and pretentious side, but under the foppish exterior he could have a sincere heart that no one sees yet.
All the people who are complaining about this strip just need to be âliberatedâ from their hang-ups about Luannâs great art. Here are the strips where she showed us her masterpieces:--Print out these strips, and then shred them (or at least rip them up). Now, donât you feel better? Enjoy your âliberationâ, and donât fret about this incident any more!
Modern and abstract artists arenât really selling you art, they are selling their image to you. Successful ones have excellent personalities and are very charismatic, people buy just to say, âI have a So in Soâ work of art.
Iâm not certain that this âProfessor Zeroâ is saying anything at all about community colleges.- I think heâs set up to represent Greg Evansâs idea of what most college profs teaching art are like. So you would find this âprofessorâ at 4 year colleges as well as 2 year colleges, if Evans is correct.
âCouldnât he have made the same point by having them do only ONE self-portrait?â ^I believe the reason for â17â portraits was to tie in the fact that the Strip celebrated 30 years on the 17th of MarchâŠ
I agree with you that the action of this alleged professor is sadistic, and I believe itâs an abuse of authority. But I doubt that heâs aiming at Luann in particular; he seems to be so full of himself that he has no room to distinguish individual students. They are all just lumps of clay to him.
OK. Now that is complete BS from any point of view. Very nihilistic. But I am still waiting for his praise of the Goth with the all black self-image. The art worls has seen all-black and all-white before but never black as a self image.
âUnless he alters it or does something to Luann herself, itâs not 1984â.^Actually, I originally was referring to the âdoublespeakâ (creative/destructive). I did say motifs . But you brought the other stuff up, saying that 1984 didnât destroy, which I then addressed.
Few if any commenters had the experience of Freshman Foundation at the Rhode Island School of Design in 1955.
RISD had a great reputation based upon how well graduates did in a competitive professional world of design.
RISD graduates in every specialization such as advertising design,architecture, industrial design, apparel design, illustrator,& many others had a firm understanding of form & function in any application.
Luannâs response to a design problem was worth more being seen by the entire class, in how Luannâs response to an assignment met the assignments requirements, which were not made clear by the teacher.
To have every studentâs work shredded before teacher & class comments would never happen in any accredited design school that gained a sold reputation, based on howwell every graduate did in real world employment.
âActually, I originally was referring to the âdoublespeakâ (creative/destructive). I did say motifs . But you brought the other stuff up, saying that 1984 didnât destroy, which I then addressed.â
âForgot to say that I wasnât even referring to the âshreddingâ as being similar to 1984âŠâ â This is what you said:
âWell Iâm trying to piece together whatâs applicable in this story to 1984. âŠ
ââŠZebo is free to destroy something he owns. The only way this could be 1984âŠâ â (Jane, stop this crazy thing!!!!! [the treadmill])
âTorn. Because I put all that hard work and effort into coming up with several different versions of my face and you never even once bothered to look at them.â
We saw one other class that Luann is taking: it was something like âIntroduction to the Digital Ageâ and it was taught by Mr. Rain (?), who called the role and then dismissed the class. We never saw anything more of that class, so Greg Evans probably couldnât think of anything interesting to do with it. It was the Pitt CC equivalent of TJâs food truck. KA-BLOOIE!!!!
how will Bernice feel when she finds out her clown Luann picture has been destroyed-Since it was meant as a criticism of Luann, Bernice will probably be heart broken. The physical evidence of her disdain for an alleged friend is gone. But she will always have her sarcastic verbalizations; those will live forever in her mind.
this seems like a âpsychology of artâ class , certainly not studio art. yes.. I will try to continue to read this strip and see where it goesâŠâŠ.
-fun and interesting-College isnât about being fun and interesting, especially these days. Itâs supposed to be about helping students acquire skills that they can use to become productive members of society, in an increasingly competitive international workplace.-One of the best ways to learn a skill is to see it demonstrated or to participate in performing a task, which is why many of the tech programs at 2 year schools are successful in placing their grads. There is a lot of hands-on work involved in learning skills that range from computer-assisted design to medical lab specimen processing.-One of the least successful methods of learning a skill is to have whatever you produced discarded, with no comments whatsoever on any mistakes made or progress shown. To be told that you have to discard the âselfâ in order to be creative, when creativity involves the reaction of âselfâ to surroundings, can only compound the lack of guidance provided here.
One of the reasons that Luann is torn is that sheâs in fact relieved that Mr. Zebo didnât get to see some of her brilliant creations, such as the 3-dots face.
Count me as one of those who consider this the most thought-provoking teacher Luann has ever had. Good that he makes readers squirm! Heâs teaching us, too, as a good character should. To just say âGet yourself out of the wayâ would get nods of agreement and no real change. To actually get her to commit her âselfâ into an assignment and then bid her rip it up (not doing so himself, having HER do it) gets a visceral reaction that brings the lesson home.
Since cartoonists are artists, I wonder if this is how Evans would teach?
One more comment. I also like that Mr. Zebo appears to be multiracial (speaking as a multiracial person, myself) with African features and light skin. Itâs a nice symbol for âI donât fit your categories.â
The âtrue intentionsâ of Luannâs work were to hand in an assignment and satisfy the teacher. So, mission accomplished on both fronts. On to something new next week.
-Itâs just a beginner course where you cover the very basics.-Beginner courses where basics are taught are often part of a required âbasic curriculumâ for all entry level students, rather than a straight elective class. A âcore curriculumâ is offered at the beginning of most college programs to provide a base for students, to help them determine their ultimate area of concentration. And thatâs another reason why feedback is needed. If a professor sees that a student lacks skill in an area that the student hopes to major in, guidance is needed at that point.-I continue to be concerned over the destruction of submitted material for another reason. Iâm not a lawyer, but have to be familiar with laws in Florida that govern public records due to my work. And state-subsidized and state related schools are arms of the state, so they are subject to those same laws.-Materials submitted to a âgeneral purpose governmentâ (a city or a county, both of which provide a full range of services) in support of or opposition to such things as rezoning of property, approval of development, spending public money on roads, etc, are considered âpublic recordsâ and have to be retained for a given time period.-Schools, including colleges, are âlimited purpose governmentsâ, providing only one or two services. But they are also subject to public records retention acts. There have been several cases in recent years revolving around the fact that assaults and crimes against students were reported to campus police, but such records were neither shared with local police nor made available for public requests.-Given that background, and the fact that professors at universities such as Florida Atlantic U (as I cited yesterday) are instructed to keep backup files of online tests and such, I still find any destruction of submitted materials to be problematic.
Here is a hypothesis that may be valuable to consider:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++What if (keep in mind I do not know of where to read all the comments many of you refer to about Greg hating his art teacher and holding a grudge)âŠ. what if Professor Zebo is NOT the professor he has a grudge about (maybe Professor âGrudgeâ is the one that Quill has been working with at Moony?)âŠ. maybe Professor Zebo is an homage to the strangest, yet also most meaningful art professor that Greg experienced while in college? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++For me, the antics and ideas of Zebo are becoming more interesting and appealing. I think he REALLY may be teaching Luann (and perhaps even US) some valuable ideas concerning art and self. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Finally, before any of you may squawk and suggest that I have something else in the bowl of my pipe other than tobaccoâŠ. nopeâŠ. it is a simple vanilla tinctured burley. My idea may sound wackoâŠ. butâŠ. think about itâŠ. it may be a good explanation.
Suppose Mr. Zebo had announced, âDId everyone construct 17 self-portraits? Good. Keep up the practice. No, you donât need to turn them in.â What would be everyoneâs reaction then? The effect would be the same as shredding them, since I canât imagine why Luann would learn anything more from them if she had kept them.
Nah⊠the guyâs a putz, using shock-value to drive his point home. Art is simply self-expression, fueled by an urge to create, whether the artist intends to share their creation or not. The teacher is smart, but smug and mean.The art teacherâs message seems to be âMove on â evolve. Keep expressing yourself, but donât let the past dictate future creativity.âAfter all, life is an ever-changing storyâŠ.
I have to be honest, sometimes your posts drive me nuts. On this however you are 100% correct. When I was in college the most popular profs were the crazy ones. When Luann was water bombed the whole class would have been in their seats next class day waiting to see what was going to happen. They might not have agreed with Zebo but they would have been listening to him. Boring profs make class cutting easy.
Dave.53âŠ. good call! At the moment it IS indeed Borkum Riff! I have all manner of different forms of the pipe tobacco leaf scattered about at home at work, etc. And they run the gambit from old-school pharmacy brands, to mid-range tobacconistâs blends, to even a few exotic, rather-too-pricey blends I probably should not have purchased.
_ So I was trying to figure out if you had meant something else._^(slapping hand to forehead)- Uhhh⊠Iâve already said from the âget goâ ⊠Several timesâŠactually. There was no need to âfigure it outâ, as I kept âspelling it outââŠand typed it, tooâŠ
one time long ago, I had a female co-worker, she said something she went through that made her sad, so I patted her back and said âis Okayâ âŠâŠâŠ.she went and complained to HR for sexual harassment
I agree with you. Self animates. It is âselfâ and the recognition of it (âI think, therefore I amâ) that differentiates humans from other mammals.
Remember the episode of House, M.D. where Dr. House was addressing a group of 30 doctors applying for a job to work for him: âI will test you in ways that you will often consider unfair, demeaning, and illegal. And you will often be right. Look to your left. Now look to your right. By the end of six weeks, one of you will be gone. As will 28 more of you. Wear a cup.â
Think about thisâŠ.. if Zebo had simply said to the classâŠ. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++âHello Class: Today we will begin the next step in our process of learning about and in creating art. Today we will begin to examine the value of deconstruction. Please take your 17 self-portraits, and using the provided scissors at your station, please cut each image into small squares each approximately one centimeter in width. When you are finished with this process, please look back at me again so that I know you have finished.â+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Now⊠in my imaginary quote for Zebo above, with the rather pedantic and didactic speech pattern, I think most folks here would say that he was indeed instructing and guiding his class in deconstructionist art (a philosophical and critical movement, starting in the 1960s applied to the study of art (and also literature), that questions all traditional assumptions about the ability of art (and also language) to represent reality).+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I think a lot of folks who are so riled up about Zebo, are mostly riled up by his somewhat bombastic nature, and his over-the-top appearance and mannerisms. It is my opinion that he REALLY is teaching, and doing so in an interesting (albeit bombastic) fashion. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Overall, I think he is a great addition to âLuann.â Luannâs college experiences in this class have quickly become my most favored story arc occurring currently!
Have you ever seen someone who has been bullied, and is in a crowd of people who are strangers? It is rare for someone in that circumstance to stand up to the bully alone. That was the expression I saw on Luannâs face. Since I was bullied as a kid because I was the âwrongâ religion and too skinny, and my younger bro was bullied because he wasnât good at sports, I recognized that expression. Itâs a sheepish smile that says âyeah, Iâm a jerk, youâre right, now please leave me aloneââŠ
I believe there should not be any sexual harassment, and ones which are OBVIOUS should be punished ASAP, but some are based on assumptions and without the victim telling the âsupposedly perpetratorâ that what he or she did or said was perceived as a sex harassment to allow that person to stop that action on their own or stop the misunderstanding
Oh, Luann, youâve got to learn to say âNOâ.*An adult is constantly given choices, and she must say âNOâ to most of them.*An artist is given many opportunities to corrups her work. An artist must be able to say âNOâ to most of them.
Zebo talking about letting go of Self is like Miley Cyrus talking to girls in high school about how important is to stay pure and have high virtues and to get away from drugs
At least I managed to save this: my full body rendering of Luannâs âDisney Princessâ look. http://markfanboy.deviantart.com/#/art/Luann-DeGroot-519764539?_sid=173d50b3
A strip may have more than one thing going on in it (sometimes thereâs more than one âpunch lineâ, too!).
Even if thereâs âback and forthâ, itâs usually on one of the points generated (like today, assault, harassment [Zeboâs Balloon Lesson], creative vs. destructive [shredder], and probably a few other things)âŠsometimes it may get into further subsets, but if one were to peek in on some other strips, it goes on like that, and sometimes even more! Thatâs why when other people âpop inâ from time to time to say things about âall the commentsâ, I try to refer them to some of the other strips. Human beings communicate. Human beings easily identify with (Lol, for the most part!) and relate to other human beings. Things are not always so âcut and dryâ and automatic as some may want to make it, (as far as some âprotocolâ is concerned), even when commenting on a forumâŠ
Interesting that no one on this site posted anything about Luannâs response to âProfessorâ Zero (âtornâ), which is kind of a good punchline. A poster on ArcaMax picked up on that pretty quicklyâŠ
In this, sheâs not alone. Maybe all of these first year kids just donât know what to do when someone is bullying them, or they think that this is what college is about. -To me, Iâm just looking at âgoing along to get alongâ behavior. Not âI like this treatmentâ, or âThis doesnât matter to me at allâ behavior.-If any of these kids have tuition paid by their parents and tell those parents what goes on in the class, Professor Zero might be zeroed outâŠ
Templo S.U.D. almost 10 years ago
I feel astonished.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Wow! Personally, this reminds me of some of the âmotifsâ in â1984â (âDoubleThinkâ, for oneâŠ) â Okay, maybe in some ways, also "Farenheit 451?
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
âContradictionaryââFruit Of The LoonââTo The Beat Of Your Own ConundrumââAn Irregular PatternââThe Sound Of Silenceâ (â«)âSame DifferenceââYouâre A Whole Half, Luann DeGroot!ââCreative DestructionââTorn Of DutyââThe Darkest LightââStrong As An Oxymoronâorâ2 Tickets To Paradoxâ (â«)
King_Shark almost 10 years ago
Sounds very 1984-ish to me.
nate3766 almost 10 years ago
Me thinks Luann should look the teach in the eye and say " I canât believe your getting paid to teach this class..I am out of here.."
Problem itâs probably past the time one can drop the class..not sure how many classes she is taking either..but this one , teacher, is a Kook in my bookâŠ
Pointspread almost 10 years ago
I really donât see destruction as creating. Of course Iâm not an artist.
Angelalex242 almost 10 years ago
Natalie Imbrulia-Torn
Song of the day.
TheDOCTOR almost 10 years ago
This âArt Instructorâ is a Nut-Case. Does this guy have a teaching degree from a University or did he get one out of a Box of Cracker Jack? I was hoping that Luann would have said âNO!â to dropping her stuff in the shredder and found herself another teacher. Really all that work wasted she might as well handed in blank paper.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
it feels like a black pot is saying I am excellent and I need you not to be black to a kettle , or would that be âcracked potâ telling the kettle I am good and I donât want you to be a cracked kettle??
kwanza_30303 almost 10 years ago
She has some shreds of regret.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Actually, in âNineteen Eighty Fourâ it did destroyâŠ.it reworked, rewrote, and destroyedâŠ.those in Oceania who became âunpersonsâ were removed, even from pictures. There was torture, and the elimination of words, to the point of the invented language, âNewspeakââŠthat part, in itself, was a form of destruction (of language)âŠâ For ââŠ.451â, The â?âwas to indicate a âloose associationâ. The theme of destroying books, as used in the story, for some âgrand purposeââŠ
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Plus, the specific term âMemory Holeâwas coined in the book, and was an incineratorâŠ
Belinda Banana Ana almost 10 years ago
What a jerk.
artybee almost 10 years ago
I like this guy.
dragonsrevenge almost 10 years ago
This is retarded. Is this what he thinks Community college is like? Having gone myself, Iâm insulted.
goodgreengirl almost 10 years ago
Why is Luann, or rather her parents paying for this tripe?
SactoSylvia almost 10 years ago
The original assignment wasnât to create art, it was to produce 17 self-portraits, each using a different style of art. So now heâs telling her that completing an assignment â doing what youâre told â is confining? Thatâs news to a teen-ager and full-time student?
Editman almost 10 years ago
Has anyone seen the TV show, The Paper Chase? The professor told the class that their heads were full of mush, and it was his job to turn them into lawyers. This is what Zebo is doing.
barbarasbrute almost 10 years ago
Off your meds much, Zebo?
wiselad almost 10 years ago
is part of Zeboâs evil plan, the students lose all âselfâ and thus create art that Zebo can claim it was him âŠâŠâŠ. the piece shown in the âfind wedding venue weekâ was not by Zebo, was by Ann eiffel when she was a student, and that is why she hates men
wiselad almost 10 years ago
if we go by going for 2 years degree, u correct, but lot of kids going to 2 years colleges use it as stepping stones, and those classes becomes equivalent to 1.5 to 2 years of university, and than do 2 more years of study at university to get a 4 years degree, and the 4 years degree would be measured by where they go those 2 last years
wiselad almost 10 years ago
and BTW, just like generic products and brand names products, what one studies in University of Texas at San Antonio would be same as what one studies in Standford or even same degrees done in Yale âŠâŠâŠâŠ just that people get more âAWEDâ if someone is graduate of Yale over one from UTSA
wiselad almost 10 years ago
some people go to colleges because of âeconomicsâ, is not accurate, but just to show the image of how it is âŠâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠ. 2 people from same school, one goes to University of âANYCITYâ for 4 years paying a total of 100,000 (25K per year) while the other decides to go 2 years in Saint Exupery College and last 2 years in University of ANYCITY paying 70,000 ( 2 years of college for 10K per year and 2 years of university for 25K per year)
Alan Smithee almost 10 years ago
Yarbles! Great bolshy yarblockos to you, Zebo.
Contessa Carrington almost 10 years ago
Is this teacher French? His lines are written in a way that makes me think his is French. Does anyone know?
mjb515 almost 10 years ago
Well, Professor, you have ordered the destruction of the effort of possibly the only student to take the assignment seriously. Perhaps, you have imparted a great philosophical point, but you have probably destroyed motivation. Bravo.
jrankin1959 almost 10 years ago
Like youâre a flippinâ looneyâŠ
Doctor Go almost 10 years ago
Luckily I submitted photocopies.
LeePIII Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Zero is a charlatan, and a booger-eating moron.
Mordock999 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Well, Luann THATâS âOutcome Based Education.â for You.
And It SUCKS.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I wonder whether the art that Luann produces from here on out will be any different, now that she has âliberatedâ herself from her sense of âselfâ. I wonder whether that will carry over into the rest of her life â will she be less self-centered?-Anyway, for those folks who were predicting yesterday that the shredder really wouldnât work or that Zebo really wanted the students to refuse to carry out the shredding â that is not how he does things. The water balloon incident made that clear. So get ready for more of the same, during the rest of the semester.
StoicLion1973 almost 10 years ago
The opposite of what I thought would happen. So much for my opinion.
Sportymonk almost 10 years ago
Love the bonus material!!
kbvaughn almost 10 years ago
This guy is pretentious and arrogant. He doesnât get to decide what is art. Everybody decides that for themselves.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
You called it â if they really have a problem with what this guy is trying to teach them in this course, then in future years they can use their art skills to become cartoonists and create ridiculous characters in syndicated comic strips just to mock him.
2Goldfish almost 10 years ago
STUPID!!
Saddenedby Premium Member almost 10 years ago
what happens when it becomes the other studentâs turn â does the âjockâ put the teach through the shredder? does the âgothâ throw a look of disinterest and say nothing?stay tuned for another dramatic strip tomorrow when luann bursts into tears(word purposely chosen for its double definition) and does an emotional scene complete with a 2 minute over dramatized, dying soliloquy and tells the prof ânow thatâs artâ
meillered almost 10 years ago
I knew I.ve seen him before. Vincent Price as Egghead.
notbornyesterday almost 10 years ago
And what about the highly prized âself portraitsâ done early in various artistsâ careers, probably because they couldnât afford to hire an actual model? Everyone from Adolf Hitler to Pablo Picasso.
Oh the art world mourns itâs loss.
rshive almost 10 years ago
Dunno. My general feeling is to pelt the guy with a cream pie. Maybe thatâs why Iâm not an âartsâ person.
rrip almost 10 years ago
Perhaps the other two students have taken (and failed) this class already and knew this was going to happen. Or perhaps they heard from other students who have already taken the class. News like this spreads very quickly. Because Luann is a newcomer she didnât know.
The Old Wolf almost 10 years ago
I, too, am torn by this art teacher. One part of art is technique. It needs to be learned â the light and shadow, the perspective, the color â (speaking of the graphic arts, not sculpture or other areas which have their own essentials) â these are the building blocks. Over time, anyone can learn these and improve their skills.
The other part is learning to reach inside oneself and bring out the passion and feeling that goes into creating art which is not only aesthetically pleasing but which has meaning for the artist and for the viewer. These are more difficult to teach and to learn. (Things that are deliberately unpleasant can still be âgood art,â but thatâs a âwhole ânother subject.â)
If Zebo is trying to get this lesson across, he gets points in the plus column, but I question his methods. Cruelty or emotional abuse is never the right way to teach a lesson. From what Iâve seen so far, he could swing either way. His physical manifestation as Greg has drawn him tends to push him toward the shallow and pretentious side, but under the foppish exterior he could have a sincere heart that no one sees yet.
Time will tell.
Willow Mt Lyon almost 10 years ago
He didnât even look at the pictures to be certain she did do 17. I would feel I wasted my time.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
All the people who are complaining about this strip just need to be âliberatedâ from their hang-ups about Luannâs great art. Here are the strips where she showed us her masterpieces:--Print out these strips, and then shred them (or at least rip them up). Now, donât you feel better? Enjoy your âliberationâ, and donât fret about this incident any more!
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
I agree with you. Any student who sticks with âProfessorâ Zero will be a zero when the class is finishedâŠ
BeniHanna6 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Modern and abstract artists arenât really selling you art, they are selling their image to you. Successful ones have excellent personalities and are very charismatic, people buy just to say, âI have a So in Soâ work of art.
dre7861 almost 10 years ago
Colonel Zeboâs art assignment wasâŠmentally challenged.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Iâm not certain that this âProfessor Zeroâ is saying anything at all about community colleges.- I think heâs set up to represent Greg Evansâs idea of what most college profs teaching art are like. So you would find this âprofessorâ at 4 year colleges as well as 2 year colleges, if Evans is correct.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
âCouldnât he have made the same point by having them do only ONE self-portrait?â ^I believe the reason for â17â portraits was to tie in the fact that the Strip celebrated 30 years on the 17th of MarchâŠ
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
I agree with you that the action of this alleged professor is sadistic, and I believe itâs an abuse of authority. But I doubt that heâs aiming at Luann in particular; he seems to be so full of himself that he has no room to distinguish individual students. They are all just lumps of clay to him.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
OK. Now that is complete BS from any point of view. Very nihilistic. But I am still waiting for his praise of the Goth with the all black self-image. The art worls has seen all-black and all-white before but never black as a self image.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
âUnless he alters it or does something to Luann herself, itâs not 1984â.^Actually, I originally was referring to the âdoublespeakâ (creative/destructive). I did say motifs . But you brought the other stuff up, saying that 1984 didnât destroy, which I then addressed.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Ya think so? Then why not volunteer to be his next project!!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Forgot to say that I wasnât even referring to the âshreddingâ as being similar to 1984âŠ.
BillH77 almost 10 years ago
Pity Luann didnât go into the school of business, music, chemistry, biology, math, engineering, teaching, or some HARD field.
Nicole â« â±âż ââżââżâ°â« Premium Member almost 10 years ago
The kid in class who only made a cover and left the rest of the portfolio blank would have been the smartest kid in class today.
Banjo Gordy Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Few if any commenters had the experience of Freshman Foundation at the Rhode Island School of Design in 1955.
RISD had a great reputation based upon how well graduates did in a competitive professional world of design.
RISD graduates in every specialization such as advertising design,architecture, industrial design, apparel design, illustrator,& many others had a firm understanding of form & function in any application.
Luannâs response to a design problem was worth more being seen by the entire class, in how Luannâs response to an assignment met the assignments requirements, which were not made clear by the teacher.
To have every studentâs work shredded before teacher & class comments would never happen in any accredited design school that gained a sold reputation, based on howwell every graduate did in real world employment.
Liam Astle Premium Member almost 10 years ago
âCan I have my tuition back?â
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
This is what I said:
âActually, I originally was referring to the âdoublespeakâ (creative/destructive). I did say motifs . But you brought the other stuff up, saying that 1984 didnât destroy, which I then addressed.â
âForgot to say that I wasnât even referring to the âshreddingâ as being similar to 1984âŠâ â This is what you said:
âWell Iâm trying to piece together whatâs applicable in this story to 1984. âŠ
ââŠZebo is free to destroy something he owns. The only way this could be 1984âŠâ â (Jane, stop this crazy thing!!!!! [the treadmill])
Liam Astle Premium Member almost 10 years ago
âTorn. Because I put all that hard work and effort into coming up with several different versions of my face and you never even once bothered to look at them.â
DetectiveKemper almost 10 years ago
Iâd feel like going to the head of the university and reporting this jerk.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
We saw one other class that Luann is taking: it was something like âIntroduction to the Digital Ageâ and it was taught by Mr. Rain (?), who called the role and then dismissed the class. We never saw anything more of that class, so Greg Evans probably couldnât think of anything interesting to do with it. It was the Pitt CC equivalent of TJâs food truck. KA-BLOOIE!!!!
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
how will Bernice feel when she finds out her clown Luann picture has been destroyed-Since it was meant as a criticism of Luann, Bernice will probably be heart broken. The physical evidence of her disdain for an alleged friend is gone. But she will always have her sarcastic verbalizations; those will live forever in her mind.
RSH almost 10 years ago
this seems like a âpsychology of artâ class , certainly not studio art. yes.. I will try to continue to read this strip and see where it goesâŠâŠ.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
-fun and interesting-College isnât about being fun and interesting, especially these days. Itâs supposed to be about helping students acquire skills that they can use to become productive members of society, in an increasingly competitive international workplace.-One of the best ways to learn a skill is to see it demonstrated or to participate in performing a task, which is why many of the tech programs at 2 year schools are successful in placing their grads. There is a lot of hands-on work involved in learning skills that range from computer-assisted design to medical lab specimen processing.-One of the least successful methods of learning a skill is to have whatever you produced discarded, with no comments whatsoever on any mistakes made or progress shown. To be told that you have to discard the âselfâ in order to be creative, when creativity involves the reaction of âselfâ to surroundings, can only compound the lack of guidance provided here.
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr almost 10 years ago
Well, weâre certainly not in an âArt Appreciationâ class.
yoda1234 almost 10 years ago
I think Luann needs to discover that Zebo is suffering from an advanced case of Anal-Cranial Inversion.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
One of the reasons that Luann is torn is that sheâs in fact relieved that Mr. Zebo didnât get to see some of her brilliant creations, such as the 3-dots face.
Dreamdeer almost 10 years ago
Count me as one of those who consider this the most thought-provoking teacher Luann has ever had. Good that he makes readers squirm! Heâs teaching us, too, as a good character should. To just say âGet yourself out of the wayâ would get nods of agreement and no real change. To actually get her to commit her âselfâ into an assignment and then bid her rip it up (not doing so himself, having HER do it) gets a visceral reaction that brings the lesson home.
Since cartoonists are artists, I wonder if this is how Evans would teach?
Dreamdeer almost 10 years ago
It also drops the notion that this is an âeasyâ class.
Dreamdeer almost 10 years ago
One more comment. I also like that Mr. Zebo appears to be multiracial (speaking as a multiracial person, myself) with African features and light skin. Itâs a nice symbol for âI donât fit your categories.â
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
The âtrue intentionsâ of Luannâs work were to hand in an assignment and satisfy the teacher. So, mission accomplished on both fronts. On to something new next week.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
-Itâs just a beginner course where you cover the very basics.-Beginner courses where basics are taught are often part of a required âbasic curriculumâ for all entry level students, rather than a straight elective class. A âcore curriculumâ is offered at the beginning of most college programs to provide a base for students, to help them determine their ultimate area of concentration. And thatâs another reason why feedback is needed. If a professor sees that a student lacks skill in an area that the student hopes to major in, guidance is needed at that point.-I continue to be concerned over the destruction of submitted material for another reason. Iâm not a lawyer, but have to be familiar with laws in Florida that govern public records due to my work. And state-subsidized and state related schools are arms of the state, so they are subject to those same laws.-Materials submitted to a âgeneral purpose governmentâ (a city or a county, both of which provide a full range of services) in support of or opposition to such things as rezoning of property, approval of development, spending public money on roads, etc, are considered âpublic recordsâ and have to be retained for a given time period.-Schools, including colleges, are âlimited purpose governmentsâ, providing only one or two services. But they are also subject to public records retention acts. There have been several cases in recent years revolving around the fact that assaults and crimes against students were reported to campus police, but such records were neither shared with local police nor made available for public requests.-Given that background, and the fact that professors at universities such as Florida Atlantic U (as I cited yesterday) are instructed to keep backup files of online tests and such, I still find any destruction of submitted materials to be problematic.
jrankin1959 almost 10 years ago
Yeah, Nero tried that âdestruction is creationâ stuff in Rome⊠it didnât end well.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Here is a hypothesis that may be valuable to consider:+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++What if (keep in mind I do not know of where to read all the comments many of you refer to about Greg hating his art teacher and holding a grudge)âŠ. what if Professor Zebo is NOT the professor he has a grudge about (maybe Professor âGrudgeâ is the one that Quill has been working with at Moony?)âŠ. maybe Professor Zebo is an homage to the strangest, yet also most meaningful art professor that Greg experienced while in college? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++For me, the antics and ideas of Zebo are becoming more interesting and appealing. I think he REALLY may be teaching Luann (and perhaps even US) some valuable ideas concerning art and self. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Finally, before any of you may squawk and suggest that I have something else in the bowl of my pipe other than tobaccoâŠ. nopeâŠ. it is a simple vanilla tinctured burley. My idea may sound wackoâŠ. butâŠ. think about itâŠ. it may be a good explanation.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Suppose Mr. Zebo had announced, âDId everyone construct 17 self-portraits? Good. Keep up the practice. No, you donât need to turn them in.â What would be everyoneâs reaction then? The effect would be the same as shredding them, since I canât imagine why Luann would learn anything more from them if she had kept them.
Mike Parsons Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Nah⊠the guyâs a putz, using shock-value to drive his point home. Art is simply self-expression, fueled by an urge to create, whether the artist intends to share their creation or not. The teacher is smart, but smug and mean.The art teacherâs message seems to be âMove on â evolve. Keep expressing yourself, but donât let the past dictate future creativity.âAfter all, life is an ever-changing storyâŠ.
Fibbermcgee Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I have to be honest, sometimes your posts drive me nuts. On this however you are 100% correct. When I was in college the most popular profs were the crazy ones. When Luann was water bombed the whole class would have been in their seats next class day waiting to see what was going to happen. They might not have agreed with Zebo but they would have been listening to him. Boring profs make class cutting easy.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Exploding a water balloon on someone is also assault. He should have been asked to leave at that point.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Dave.53âŠ. good call! At the moment it IS indeed Borkum Riff! I have all manner of different forms of the pipe tobacco leaf scattered about at home at work, etc. And they run the gambit from old-school pharmacy brands, to mid-range tobacconistâs blends, to even a few exotic, rather-too-pricey blends I probably should not have purchased.
Vorticia almost 10 years ago
I donât like this art teacherâŠ.maybe because I majored in art history.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
_ So I was trying to figure out if you had meant something else._^(slapping hand to forehead)- Uhhh⊠Iâve already said from the âget goâ ⊠Several timesâŠactually. There was no need to âfigure it outâ, as I kept âspelling it outââŠand typed it, tooâŠ
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
ââŠlike the way Klink dressedâŠâ^Wonder if you could switch Zeboâs glasses with a monocleâŠ
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Actually, the name Zebo (or even ZĂ©bo⊠or ZamboniâŠor Zuchini) sounds like some sort of giant thingy on a kids showâŠ..
sjsczurek almost 10 years ago
Sounds kind of like âdestroying the village to save it.â
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Come to think of it, Erich von Stroheim made movies in pretty much the same way that Mr. Zebo teaches art.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
one time long ago, I had a female co-worker, she said something she went through that made her sad, so I patted her back and said âis Okayâ âŠâŠâŠ.she went and complained to HR for sexual harassment
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
I agree with you. Self animates. It is âselfâ and the recognition of it (âI think, therefore I amâ) that differentiates humans from other mammals.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Remember the episode of House, M.D. where Dr. House was addressing a group of 30 doctors applying for a job to work for him: âI will test you in ways that you will often consider unfair, demeaning, and illegal. And you will often be right. Look to your left. Now look to your right. By the end of six weeks, one of you will be gone. As will 28 more of you. Wear a cup.â
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Think about thisâŠ.. if Zebo had simply said to the classâŠ. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++âHello Class: Today we will begin the next step in our process of learning about and in creating art. Today we will begin to examine the value of deconstruction. Please take your 17 self-portraits, and using the provided scissors at your station, please cut each image into small squares each approximately one centimeter in width. When you are finished with this process, please look back at me again so that I know you have finished.â+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Now⊠in my imaginary quote for Zebo above, with the rather pedantic and didactic speech pattern, I think most folks here would say that he was indeed instructing and guiding his class in deconstructionist art (a philosophical and critical movement, starting in the 1960s applied to the study of art (and also literature), that questions all traditional assumptions about the ability of art (and also language) to represent reality).+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I think a lot of folks who are so riled up about Zebo, are mostly riled up by his somewhat bombastic nature, and his over-the-top appearance and mannerisms. It is my opinion that he REALLY is teaching, and doing so in an interesting (albeit bombastic) fashion. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Overall, I think he is a great addition to âLuann.â Luannâs college experiences in this class have quickly become my most favored story arc occurring currently!
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Have you ever seen someone who has been bullied, and is in a crowd of people who are strangers? It is rare for someone in that circumstance to stand up to the bully alone. That was the expression I saw on Luannâs face. Since I was bullied as a kid because I was the âwrongâ religion and too skinny, and my younger bro was bullied because he wasnât good at sports, I recognized that expression. Itâs a sheepish smile that says âyeah, Iâm a jerk, youâre right, now please leave me aloneââŠ
wiselad almost 10 years ago
I believe there should not be any sexual harassment, and ones which are OBVIOUS should be punished ASAP, but some are based on assumptions and without the victim telling the âsupposedly perpetratorâ that what he or she did or said was perceived as a sex harassment to allow that person to stop that action on their own or stop the misunderstanding
ACTIVIST1234 almost 10 years ago
Oh, Luann, youâve got to learn to say âNOâ.*An adult is constantly given choices, and she must say âNOâ to most of them.*An artist is given many opportunities to corrups her work. An artist must be able to say âNOâ to most of them.
Sisyphos almost 10 years ago
On the whole, Iâd rather shred Zebo.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
Zebo talking about letting go of Self is like Miley Cyrus talking to girls in high school about how important is to stay pure and have high virtues and to get away from drugs
ACTIVIST1234 almost 10 years ago
I canât see clearly on my monitor. Has our esteemed colorist today made the shirt sleeve/cuffs match the rest of his slime-green sweater?
ChrisV almost 10 years ago
At least I managed to save this: my full body rendering of Luannâs âDisney Princessâ look. http://markfanboy.deviantart.com/#/art/Luann-DeGroot-519764539?_sid=173d50b3
Aladar30 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
This is unbelievable.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
lot of the comments were âbetween usâ and not directly about the strip itself LOL
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Agreed!!!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
How I always look at it:
A strip may have more than one thing going on in it (sometimes thereâs more than one âpunch lineâ, too!).
Even if thereâs âback and forthâ, itâs usually on one of the points generated (like today, assault, harassment [Zeboâs Balloon Lesson], creative vs. destructive [shredder], and probably a few other things)âŠsometimes it may get into further subsets, but if one were to peek in on some other strips, it goes on like that, and sometimes even more! Thatâs why when other people âpop inâ from time to time to say things about âall the commentsâ, I try to refer them to some of the other strips. Human beings communicate. Human beings easily identify with (Lol, for the most part!) and relate to other human beings. Things are not always so âcut and dryâ and automatic as some may want to make it, (as far as some âprotocolâ is concerned), even when commenting on a forumâŠ
Airman almost 10 years ago
Over 200 comments? Must be a slow news day, or everybodyâs brackets are busted beyond hope.
Argythree almost 10 years ago
Interesting that no one on this site posted anything about Luannâs response to âProfessorâ Zero (âtornâ), which is kind of a good punchline. A poster on ArcaMax picked up on that pretty quicklyâŠ
Argythree almost 10 years ago
SPOILERS ALERT!!!-Sharing the deconstruction. And what have we learned, kids? Apparently, not so muchâŠ
31768 almost 10 years ago
welcome to college, Luann. itâs opposite day every day.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
(O.C.J. Category:) LOL, and thatâs pretty hard to do! (X^D)
Argythree almost 10 years ago
In this, sheâs not alone. Maybe all of these first year kids just donât know what to do when someone is bullying them, or they think that this is what college is about. -To me, Iâm just looking at âgoing along to get alongâ behavior. Not âI like this treatmentâ, or âThis doesnât matter to me at allâ behavior.-If any of these kids have tuition paid by their parents and tell those parents what goes on in the class, Professor Zero might be zeroed outâŠ
Mikeyj about 9 years ago
Iâd be punching that #^$@ in the face!!