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Sheila Hardie posted an insightful comment to yesterdayâs strip toward the end of the day, so it may not have been seen by all: âThereâs more to life than boys, Tiff. You be you.â
We can get so obsessed with pairing these characters off that we canât let them just be single. We have to find poor Tiffany a boyfriend. Guntherâs biggest shortcoming is his inability to connect with a significant other. In my opinionated opinion, the best thing that could happen to Tiff is to realize sheâs not required to have a man. If Gunther needs time to sort out his issues without the baggage of a relationship, more power to him.
If you were ânaturally attractiveâ Tiff, you wouldnât need tons of makeup and hair so coated with gel and hairspray it wouldnât move if a tornado hit.
Seriously, I would like to thank Seismic-2 for his detailed and well-reasoned explanation of why many of you do not care for Gunther â not to mention some of the problems Greg has had moving his characters from high school to college. We may not agree; to me, Gunther is a very sympathetic character, perhaps for the very reasons he exasperates others. Nevertheless, Seismic-2 gave me an abbreviated catch-up on a comic strip I hadnât visited in years, as well as some of the back stories of the characters today. Again, Thanks!
Schrodingerâs Dog: As I have said to others, there are comics where the comments are more entertaining than the strips â and this is one of them. And, letâs face it; at over 300, almost 400 comments each day, thatâs a lot of entertainment!
one flaw Paris(tiffany) has: sheâs very âhumbleâ about how she sees herself. thatâs why there are no takers, sheâs just too perfect. Kinda see why Gunther feels a lilâ bit intimidated.I am a bit deflated by her as well. Only I still donât want him with Bernice. so guys work your flaws out please! you are a perfect match.
Reality just sunk in â the mascara is running. Iâd pay $5 to see Gunther help her be more real. Go on, Gunth, reach over and muss up her hair. Just donât cut yourself.
Well, there you have it, folks. Lucy is clutching the football, just about to grab it away from Charlie Brown. And he was only a few steps away this time. All that supposed wisdom that Tiff is supposedly hiding, all that budding self-awareness, is sinking back behind her obsession with her looks and her lack of interest in anyone who isnât flattering her. It doesnât look like any character development is in the works. Unless the Evanses do something drastic with her (always a theoretical possibility), sheâll continue to strut around with her excessive makeup and helmet hair and âhotâ shoes, clueless as to why nobody is asking her about her thoughts and emotions. Except Les, who in his own way is just as needy as Tiff is. If all goes as expected, theyâll actually make the perfect couple, feeding each otherâs needs â until Les decides to make his move.
Meanwhile, over on âLuann Againnâ, a mob of boys riots when the high school guidance councilor sends Tiffany home to change into less revealing swimwearâŠ
Tiffany is not at all petrified that Gunther saw her runny mascara â the vain girl? The girl who must be perfect at all the time around guysâŠ.? To me, Gunther is so effeminate that he is more a girlfriend than a male friend. He is a girl in a suit and 5 oâclock shadow face. Tiffany is comfortable around him and has no sexual interest in him. Gunther talks to her pretty much the same way he talks to Luann so I came to the conclusion he is not romantically interested in Tiffany either. She is his female Knute, slightly more intelligent.
When Tiff was at the party, especially in the presence of Les, but with little attention on Gunther, she was happy! She felt like a woman who was noticed. Even on the way home she lectured Gunther about letting his mother find happiness with Mr. Gray, and acknowledged that the whole experience had made her very happy as well. As long as Tiff had the upper hand in the conversation, Gunther boiled with anger.
But now, after spending more time with Gunther, her mood has sunk into the floor. He ragged hard to her about Les, and likely pulled her somewhat into his mindset. Gunther burst her bubble of happiness! Sheâs now focused back on her past frustrations in finding a guy, and on Guntherâs suggestion about what sheâs doing wrong.
So if Les had such a positive effect on her, apparently with the backup of Ma Berger and Mr. Gray, and yet prolonged exposure to Gunther destroys her mood and brings her to tears⊠isnât this saying that Gunther has an extremely negative effect on her psychology? Iâve learned that there are some people with deep pathologies of their own who can easily transfer their negativity to other people.
All this is observably what happened, but some readers here are already mesmerized by Guntherâs negativity, and seeing it as positive.
So this week we have seen both Gunther and Tiffany struggling to break out of their shell. I think at least a little physical intimacy is definitely called forâŠ
Look at that spark in Guntherâs eye. He sees something attractive in Tiffany he hasnât seen before. She has begun opening up and showing some depth, which is rather appealing and worth a bit of runny mascara. Gunther now sees her personality isnât made of botox after all.
âOh, Maybelline, Why Canât You Be True?â (âȘ)
âOh, Donât Be So Clothes Mindedâ
âMore Than The Sum Of Their Partsâ
âAs If Thereâs Not A Mas-cara In The Worldâ
or
âThe Story Of The Misunderstood Eyelash, Who Ran Away From HomeâŠAnd Had To Run Back To Get Some MascaraâŠBut Forgot To Close The Lid On The TubeâŠâ
To wiped last night for my usual before bed comment, but I think this panel is a bridge to the conclusion of the arc on Saturday, I think. WIll it be an insight, or even a look at a higher level of relationship, beside friendship. Frankly, I have no issue with it either way. Gunther and Tiffany would have smart, happy, and beautiful kids, in spite of herself (lol).
I must agree with Luann1212, this artist does love womenâŠâŠâŠ..he has a whole stable full of dominant ladies and weak, dumpy, or sleazy men. And, they are usually attractive ( even Bernice and Luann when they want to be). Crystal is goth, Tiff is glamor, Rosa was hot blooded and quietly sexy. My point being: let Tiff keep the makeup and seductive, designer clothes and stay the beauty queen that we all know and love.
The Evanses are exploring intimacy here, and yes, intimacy can be nonsexual. Laying bare your feelings can be more intense than laying bare your body. If this couple is to become a romantic pair, as some wish, this is their path toward that.
Crystal wears more makeup and looks more unnatural than anyone on this strip, yet I have never seen anyone criticize her looks. In fact, she is praised for her looks. Could someone please help me understand why Tiffany is condemned and called artificial, and Crystal is not?
Tiffany has been seen once without makeup and stiff hair, the strip when she and Gunther came back to her place after a science field trip. She took a shower, came out in a robe, and for once looked very sweet and her age! She and Gunther had the quiet moment of looking at each other, and what happened next was never mentioned. Also, everyone is pushing Tiffany and Gunther to have a romance. This is not necessary, right now they each need an honest friendship more than another romance. Specifically, Tiffany needs an honest friendship. If it changes in the future, fine, but Tiffany especially needs to find out what a real relationship could be like, as in really knowing and liking a person. Sheâs not there yet, but is at least progressing.
I still say, how does everyone âknowâ Tiff wasnât wearing makeup when emerged from the bathroom after showering? There are some women who, as far as hair and makeup, must be perfectly turned out at all times. It doesnât matter what theyâre wearing, or even if theyâre wearing anything. These women would rather leave off the robe than the makeup. Of course, this being a family strip, that would never happen, but just imagineâŠâŠ..
Tiff comes out, hair wrapped in a towel, fully made up, and nothing else. Gunther sees her, goes into catatonic shock, and doesnât wake up for 6 or 7 years. When he does wake up, he discovers:
1. His mom has married Mr. Gray, and they split their time between Pitts, LA, New York, and anywhere else Mr. Gray has business dealings.2. Quill has become a fairly successful stage actor in New York, and is now trying to break into the movies with the help ofâŠ3. Pru, who has moved to LA and become a successful set designer.4. Luann is the author of many popular childrenâs books, and spends a lot of time doing book signings and special storytimes in various cities.5. Dez has become a holistic healer, and the person she treats most often isâŠ.6. Bernice, who spent years obsessing and analysing why she never felt anything when Piro kissed her. She determined it was because earlier that day she had eaten 3 oatmeal cookies. Bern is a less than successful counselor as most of her counsel consists of telling her clientsâ Never Eat Oatmeal Cookies.â7. Piro, an operative for some shadowy government agency, and his contact âDr. Healdâ have mysteriously disappeared, only to be hinted at and spoken of in whispers.8. Tiff discovers her true calling as a Trophy Wife and marries a wealthy, older plastic surgeon who promises to keep her Forever Young.
Now to sit back and see how many people start ripping me apart for this farce. :D
I do like how we are seeing Tiffany express her inner emotions to an extent. I am hoping that Tiffany is able to grow as a character through this process. I am liking her more and more since she came to college.
At this point, I do not really care if she pursues a romantic interest at this point. In fact, I am now leaning towards hoping she does notâŠ. particularly with âGrumpy Gusâ Gunther.
Gunther should ask her to repeat that event where she took a shower while he waited and come out in only a bath robe. No makeup, no hot cloths, no perfume. Then show her how beautiful he thinks she is. But â ah yes â this is Gunther we are talking about.
panel 1: Tiffany is defensive, panel 2: no choice but to let it all out. panel 3: Gunther, a man of few words but with a hint of a smile and sense of humor. Hopefully tomorrow Gunther will let Tiffany know that the âhot chickâ routine is not necessary and they will end up laughing and being ârealâ together.
Of course Tiffany has real thoughts and real emotions. Theyâre just all incredibly superficial. Besides, most college guys would look at her and think, âHigh maintenance. Stay away!â Not only that, every college has a number of former high school âqueens.â
Luann who wear no makeup (when she does she looks ridiculous), long pants and Tâs has out-competed Tiffany twice for a guy. 1st was Quill and now Jack. You would think that by now Tiffany should realize that the âhot chickâ routine doesnât work. Guys like their girls âau-naturelâ. I think Tiffany is afraid to actually get close to a guy. The hot chick façade is meant to attract on the surface but then repel so as to avoid an actual relationship.
Tiffany opens up for no one so much as she does here for Gunther. If Gunther were half as smart as he thinks he is, heâd make every effort to become Tiffâs true friend, not just friendly acquaintanceâŠ.
The personalities of Tiff and Gunther have been jumping around some during the last couple of years. They are not always as consistent as they one were. .We have seen little personality on the part of Luann recently. One bit, perhaps, was that she has been rather nice toward Jack, even though heâs not her cup of tea.
Templo S.U.D. over 7 years ago
way to let it all out, Tiff⊠now on to the next step (which is what if I may ask?)
Namrepus over 7 years ago
Best wishes to the families and surviving victims in Alexandria and San Francisco.
And Your Point Would Be over 7 years ago
Sheila Hardie posted an insightful comment to yesterdayâs strip toward the end of the day, so it may not have been seen by all: âThereâs more to life than boys, Tiff. You be you.â
We can get so obsessed with pairing these characters off that we canât let them just be single. We have to find poor Tiffany a boyfriend. Guntherâs biggest shortcoming is his inability to connect with a significant other. In my opinionated opinion, the best thing that could happen to Tiff is to realize sheâs not required to have a man. If Gunther needs time to sort out his issues without the baggage of a relationship, more power to him.
Mordock999 Premium Member over 7 years ago
Uh Oh. CAREFUL There, Tiff.
You are in GRAVE Danger of becoming âAngryâ and âSullen.â
And some âFolksâ in these here parts donât like THAT sorta thing.
Just ask GuntherâŠ.,
AnyFace over 7 years ago
She was so relaxed and comfortable at the family meet-and-greet.
wantcomicsnow over 7 years ago
If you were ânaturally attractiveâ Tiff, you wouldnât need tons of makeup and hair so coated with gel and hairspray it wouldnât move if a tornado hit.
Cheapskate0 over 7 years ago
Seismic-2: Guess Iâm in good company! Weâve both been bitten by Schrodingerâs Dog! Now, thatâs RUFF!
Cheapskate0 over 7 years ago
Seriously, I would like to thank Seismic-2 for his detailed and well-reasoned explanation of why many of you do not care for Gunther â not to mention some of the problems Greg has had moving his characters from high school to college. We may not agree; to me, Gunther is a very sympathetic character, perhaps for the very reasons he exasperates others. Nevertheless, Seismic-2 gave me an abbreviated catch-up on a comic strip I hadnât visited in years, as well as some of the back stories of the characters today. Again, Thanks!
capricorn9th over 7 years ago
Tiffany, girl, your beauty is 100% artificial. I dare you go naked (go without make-up for those dirty minds).
And Your Point Would Be over 7 years ago
Sometimes Tiffanyâs rationalizations are as thick as her mascara and as unbendable as her hair.
Cheapskate0 over 7 years ago
Schrodingerâs Dog: As I have said to others, there are comics where the comments are more entertaining than the strips â and this is one of them. And, letâs face it; at over 300, almost 400 comments each day, thatâs a lot of entertainment!
31768 over 7 years ago
one flaw Paris(tiffany) has: sheâs very âhumbleâ about how she sees herself. thatâs why there are no takers, sheâs just too perfect. Kinda see why Gunther feels a lilâ bit intimidated.I am a bit deflated by her as well. Only I still donât want him with Bernice. so guys work your flaws out please! you are a perfect match.
Pointspread over 7 years ago
GUnther is never gonna make a move hereâŠ
Brdshtt Premium Member over 7 years ago
Reality just sunk in â the mascara is running. Iâd pay $5 to see Gunther help her be more real. Go on, Gunth, reach over and muss up her hair. Just donât cut yourself.
RolloTheGrouch over 7 years ago
Well, there you have it, folks. Lucy is clutching the football, just about to grab it away from Charlie Brown. And he was only a few steps away this time. All that supposed wisdom that Tiff is supposedly hiding, all that budding self-awareness, is sinking back behind her obsession with her looks and her lack of interest in anyone who isnât flattering her. It doesnât look like any character development is in the works. Unless the Evanses do something drastic with her (always a theoretical possibility), sheâll continue to strut around with her excessive makeup and helmet hair and âhotâ shoes, clueless as to why nobody is asking her about her thoughts and emotions. Except Les, who in his own way is just as needy as Tiff is. If all goes as expected, theyâll actually make the perfect couple, feeding each otherâs needs â until Les decides to make his move.
Argythree over 7 years ago
Meanwhile, over on âLuann Againnâ, a mob of boys riots when the high school guidance councilor sends Tiffany home to change into less revealing swimwearâŠ
capricorn9th over 7 years ago
Tiffany is not at all petrified that Gunther saw her runny mascara â the vain girl? The girl who must be perfect at all the time around guysâŠ.? To me, Gunther is so effeminate that he is more a girlfriend than a male friend. He is a girl in a suit and 5 oâclock shadow face. Tiffany is comfortable around him and has no sexual interest in him. Gunther talks to her pretty much the same way he talks to Luann so I came to the conclusion he is not romantically interested in Tiffany either. She is his female Knute, slightly more intelligent.
Wizardgoat over 7 years ago
A startling thought:
When Tiff was at the party, especially in the presence of Les, but with little attention on Gunther, she was happy! She felt like a woman who was noticed. Even on the way home she lectured Gunther about letting his mother find happiness with Mr. Gray, and acknowledged that the whole experience had made her very happy as well. As long as Tiff had the upper hand in the conversation, Gunther boiled with anger.
But now, after spending more time with Gunther, her mood has sunk into the floor. He ragged hard to her about Les, and likely pulled her somewhat into his mindset. Gunther burst her bubble of happiness! Sheâs now focused back on her past frustrations in finding a guy, and on Guntherâs suggestion about what sheâs doing wrong.
So if Les had such a positive effect on her, apparently with the backup of Ma Berger and Mr. Gray, and yet prolonged exposure to Gunther destroys her mood and brings her to tears⊠isnât this saying that Gunther has an extremely negative effect on her psychology? Iâve learned that there are some people with deep pathologies of their own who can easily transfer their negativity to other people.
All this is observably what happened, but some readers here are already mesmerized by Guntherâs negativity, and seeing it as positive.
kenhense over 7 years ago
So this week we have seen both Gunther and Tiffany struggling to break out of their shell. I think at least a little physical intimacy is definitely called forâŠ
jrowell over 7 years ago
Look at that spark in Guntherâs eye. He sees something attractive in Tiffany he hasnât seen before. She has begun opening up and showing some depth, which is rather appealing and worth a bit of runny mascara. Gunther now sees her personality isnât made of botox after all.
sueb1863 over 7 years ago
Maybe youâd have more luck if you stopped treating people like garbage.
Tyge over 7 years ago
I wonder what Greg Eâs rendering of Tiff would be au naturel? Eh?
Tyge over 7 years ago
Hey folks. Quit dissing on Tiff. I have a feeling sheâs about to bloom. Plus, I will give Gunther a one-up on Les to have Tiff for a bf.
JayBluE over 7 years ago
Tiffany has got to stop using those products from the Tammy Faye Baker line of CosmeticsâŠ
JayBluE over 7 years ago
âFace Valueâ
âAppear Pressureâ
âI Heard It Through The Gripe Veinâ (âŹ)
âThereâs Almost Always A CatchâŠAnd Sometimes, A Releaseâ
âLife In The Pent-Up-House Suiteâ
âA Bare On The Looseâ
âThe Stress Upon The Wrappings Of A Pretty Packageâ
âA Flush Wins, Over Apparel Queensâ
âSwimming In Skin Deep Watersâ
âDepth Perceptionâ
âCheeks And Balancesâ
âRosy Lips And Eyes Of Blueâ
âShe Wore Blue VelvetâŠAnd He Wore Aqua Velvaâ (â©)
âGlue-on BlueâŠâ (âȘ)
âA Cover-up Schemeâ
âThereâs A Kind Of BlushâŠâ (âȘ)
âMeâŠAnd Eye ShadowâŠ.â (âȘ)
âTiffany Keeps Making Things Upâ
âDeep Vain Osmosisâ
âSuite Nothingsâ
âOh, Maybelline, Why Canât You Be True?â (âȘ)
âOh, Donât Be So Clothes Mindedâ
âMore Than The Sum Of Their Partsâ
âAs If Thereâs Not A Mas-cara In The Worldâ
or
âThe Story Of The Misunderstood Eyelash, Who Ran Away From HomeâŠAnd Had To Run Back To Get Some MascaraâŠBut Forgot To Close The Lid On The TubeâŠâ
R Ball Premium Member over 7 years ago
It looks like a Tiffany epiphany.
luann1212 over 7 years ago
To wiped last night for my usual before bed comment, but I think this panel is a bridge to the conclusion of the arc on Saturday, I think. WIll it be an insight, or even a look at a higher level of relationship, beside friendship. Frankly, I have no issue with it either way. Gunther and Tiffany would have smart, happy, and beautiful kids, in spite of herself (lol).
Jay5794 Premium Member over 7 years ago
If Tiff and Gunther were to jump in the sack it might resolve both of their problems. Also start some new ones. ( Probably not in a family strip)
Airman over 7 years ago
I must agree with Luann1212, this artist does love womenâŠâŠâŠ..he has a whole stable full of dominant ladies and weak, dumpy, or sleazy men. And, they are usually attractive ( even Bernice and Luann when they want to be). Crystal is goth, Tiff is glamor, Rosa was hot blooded and quietly sexy. My point being: let Tiff keep the makeup and seductive, designer clothes and stay the beauty queen that we all know and love.
Luanaphile over 7 years ago
The Evanses are exploring intimacy here, and yes, intimacy can be nonsexual. Laying bare your feelings can be more intense than laying bare your body. If this couple is to become a romantic pair, as some wish, this is their path toward that.
sallymargaret over 7 years ago
Crystal wears more makeup and looks more unnatural than anyone on this strip, yet I have never seen anyone criticize her looks. In fact, she is praised for her looks. Could someone please help me understand why Tiffany is condemned and called artificial, and Crystal is not?
CAMom over 7 years ago
Tiffany has been seen once without makeup and stiff hair, the strip when she and Gunther came back to her place after a science field trip. She took a shower, came out in a robe, and for once looked very sweet and her age! She and Gunther had the quiet moment of looking at each other, and what happened next was never mentioned. Also, everyone is pushing Tiffany and Gunther to have a romance. This is not necessary, right now they each need an honest friendship more than another romance. Specifically, Tiffany needs an honest friendship. If it changes in the future, fine, but Tiffany especially needs to find out what a real relationship could be like, as in really knowing and liking a person. Sheâs not there yet, but is at least progressing.
Numbnumb over 7 years ago
I really think that Gunther and Tiffany should wind up being a couple. Lots of extra story line there!
locake over 7 years ago
Les made her feel good about herself, Gunther makes her cry. Not a hard choice who sheâd rather spend time with.
wantcomicsnow over 7 years ago
I still say, how does everyone âknowâ Tiff wasnât wearing makeup when emerged from the bathroom after showering? There are some women who, as far as hair and makeup, must be perfectly turned out at all times. It doesnât matter what theyâre wearing, or even if theyâre wearing anything. These women would rather leave off the robe than the makeup. Of course, this being a family strip, that would never happen, but just imagineâŠâŠ..
Tiff comes out, hair wrapped in a towel, fully made up, and nothing else. Gunther sees her, goes into catatonic shock, and doesnât wake up for 6 or 7 years. When he does wake up, he discovers:
1. His mom has married Mr. Gray, and they split their time between Pitts, LA, New York, and anywhere else Mr. Gray has business dealings.2. Quill has become a fairly successful stage actor in New York, and is now trying to break into the movies with the help ofâŠ3. Pru, who has moved to LA and become a successful set designer.4. Luann is the author of many popular childrenâs books, and spends a lot of time doing book signings and special storytimes in various cities.5. Dez has become a holistic healer, and the person she treats most often isâŠ.6. Bernice, who spent years obsessing and analysing why she never felt anything when Piro kissed her. She determined it was because earlier that day she had eaten 3 oatmeal cookies. Bern is a less than successful counselor as most of her counsel consists of telling her clientsâ Never Eat Oatmeal Cookies.â7. Piro, an operative for some shadowy government agency, and his contact âDr. Healdâ have mysteriously disappeared, only to be hinted at and spoken of in whispers.8. Tiff discovers her true calling as a Trophy Wife and marries a wealthy, older plastic surgeon who promises to keep her Forever Young.
Now to sit back and see how many people start ripping me apart for this farce. :D
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 7 years ago
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I do like how we are seeing Tiffany express her inner emotions to an extent. I am hoping that Tiffany is able to grow as a character through this process. I am liking her more and more since she came to college.
At this point, I do not really care if she pursues a romantic interest at this point. In fact, I am now leaning towards hoping she does notâŠ. particularly with âGrumpy Gusâ Gunther.
Chuck374 over 7 years ago
Gunther should ask her to repeat that event where she took a shower while he waited and come out in only a bath robe. No makeup, no hot cloths, no perfume. Then show her how beautiful he thinks she is. But â ah yes â this is Gunther we are talking about.
Schrodinger's Dog over 7 years ago
Tiffâs facade is literally melting away!
David Huie Green LikeNobody'sEverSeen over 7 years ago
I have a strict philosophy that I have stuck to for fifteen yearsâŠ. âThereâs no such thing as natural beauty.â
Steel Magnolias â Truvy Jones
RSH over 7 years ago
panel 1: Tiffany is defensive, panel 2: no choice but to let it all out. panel 3: Gunther, a man of few words but with a hint of a smile and sense of humor. Hopefully tomorrow Gunther will let Tiffany know that the âhot chickâ routine is not necessary and they will end up laughing and being ârealâ together.
Schrodinger's Dog over 7 years ago
That heart shaped pillow in this weekâs scenes is Greg poking at us.
rimshot22 over 7 years ago
Of course Tiffany has real thoughts and real emotions. Theyâre just all incredibly superficial. Besides, most college guys would look at her and think, âHigh maintenance. Stay away!â Not only that, every college has a number of former high school âqueens.â
RSH over 7 years ago
Luann who wear no makeup (when she does she looks ridiculous), long pants and Tâs has out-competed Tiffany twice for a guy. 1st was Quill and now Jack. You would think that by now Tiffany should realize that the âhot chickâ routine doesnât work. Guys like their girls âau-naturelâ. I think Tiffany is afraid to actually get close to a guy. The hot chick façade is meant to attract on the surface but then repel so as to avoid an actual relationship.
Sisyphos over 7 years ago
Tiffany opens up for no one so much as she does here for Gunther. If Gunther were half as smart as he thinks he is, heâd make every effort to become Tiffâs true friend, not just friendly acquaintanceâŠ.
doverdan over 7 years ago
The personalities of Tiff and Gunther have been jumping around some during the last couple of years. They are not always as consistent as they one were. .We have seen little personality on the part of Luann recently. One bit, perhaps, was that she has been rather nice toward Jack, even though heâs not her cup of tea.
Schrodinger's Dog over 7 years ago
Tomorrow: Tiffany chips a front tooth, making her appearance even more ârealâ !
chris_weaver over 7 years ago
Uh-oh, Tiffanyâs gone into Tammy Faye mode!