That’s in fact one of the major dualities around the great British 70s sitcom “Mind Your Language”.
It focuses on an ESL class taught by Jeremy Brown (Barry Evans), full of minorities, all of whom have their issues and accents with learning the language, played up for comic effect.
The BBC canned the show after three seasons fearing racial backlash from the countries and communities mentioned…
…which, ironically, turned out…
…to be its biggest fans! And even today they still want more!
Why? Because the “stereotypes” reflected their memories of the old country and harmonized with their experiences in the new one! (As they still do, and you need to be an ESL teacher – like my college “twin sister”, now living and teaching in Orleans – to get this)
So maybe while Marlo Thomas and John Ritter have suffered the passage of time…
…Barry Evans, Albert Moses, Francoise Pascal and George Camiller will weather through.
(For more on cultural differences between the old and the new, watch “Bob Hearts Abishola”)
Whoa. I’m pretty sure that laying that on a kid is bad parenting. Though if I recall correctly (not quite 70 years later), I pretty much figured that all adults were too lame to pay attention to, unless there was a potential for punishment or food…
I was pondering this topic earlier. Like we will ban song of the South or F-Troop or part of Dumbo but Hogan’s Heroes is still on nd we ll still love “A Christmas Story”
That’s for sure. I didn’t know the LGBTQA+ group didn’t exist until years later since they weren’t blatant with it in the kids shows I watched. It wasn’t until Modern Family that I was shown that they form family units
I’ve read a lot of ‘40s comic books—it’s weird how one can be nostalgic about an era that ended before one was born—and WOW I’ve seen things. “It was a different time,” indeed. But I understand (and, to a degree, accept) that, without condoning or making excuses for the truly deplorable stuff. And it wasn’t all awful; even in wartime Batman or the Justice Society would park the jingoism for a brief moment and celebrate American diversity.
But this is also true of some of my favorite British TV comedies from years past. The Young Ones or Father Ted would get “risky” while making fun of racism, but Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Fawlty Towers would occasionally be straight-up racist. (And there’s MY ultimate heartbreaker—seeing that John Cleese has aged over recent years into just another hypocritical reactionary bigot, and realizing that even back then he was probably the source of the uglier stuff in the aforementioned shows.)
So if MGM wants to tack a disclaimer to the beginning of Gone With The Wind, or Disney wants to keep Song of the South locked in the vault, or Warners doesn’t want to release certain cartoons because of blatantly bigoted content, that’s fine by me. It’s theirs to do with as they please—and I know the ones bawling “censorship” the loudest are simply angry that society is growing up and they don’t want to come with.
When I see this sort of thing come up, I always ask who it is that is really offended by whatever perceived slight is being made. The problem is that while some slights have been legitimately identified as being offensive to the people that are being slighted, others are simply the result of where a slight is imagined and is called out not by those that are slighted but by those that perceive some possible situation that, in the end, doesn’t exist. Too often, especially these days, some cry-bully will kvetch about some word or other that they believe has an offensive meaning and insist we do not use it. The most recent example I came across was the word “boob”. Somebody got really upset when they heard it. (My response was to enquire if they had ever seen The Beatles in Yellow Submarine, in particular the scenes featuring Jeremy Hillary Boob Phd.)
As an example of how any common truth can turn out to be misguided with more knowledge, I like to mention to those particularly militant, self righteous, in your face vegans that some scientists just recently discovered plants make a tiny scream-like noise only when damaged or harvested. Plus, that whole hectares-wide mushroom/forest tree communication thing….. just pointing out in this sinful world there is no such thing as a cruelty-free lunch. yeah, I’m not proud, but it is a satisfying guilty takedown. here’s a link https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-record-stressed-out-plants-emitting-ultrasonic-squeals-180973716/
The Flintstones existed in a time when commercials weren’t kept separate from the shows, and they had commercials for cigarettes embedded in the show (along with incredibly sexist tropes).
It’s also that as a child some of that stuff would go over your head no matter what decade it is. We didn’t notice it because of what she explained but also because well…we were kids! lol
Since this comic addresses modern issues, I, myself, will address a modern issue: The word “homophobic” is used too much. By extension, “transphobic,” as well as many other words that describe phobias against the LGBTQ, are also used too much. Way too much.
I’ll say right here right now that I disagree with everything the LGBTQ believes and stands for. As a practicing Catholic, the actions of the LGBTQ impose spiritual and moral law, ultimately contradicting God’s holy plan. Rather than stopping to think about if their desires are physically, morally, and spiritually, they simply dive deeper.
Aside from the obvious boldness of my argument, did you notice anything else? I didn’t say I hated anyone associated with the LGBTQ, nor do I hate allies, homosexuals, etc. I have plenty of friends who support that community. I make it clear that my beliefs are much different in a civil and friendly manner.
Getting back to the topical word, “homophobic” is a term that, in most cases, people would use to describe me. To be a homophobe is to hate or fear someone for being homosexual or having homosexual tendencies. That’s a basic form of the definition. Now, people often use it as a means of defining someone who disagrees with homosexuality.
What about “theophobic?” To be a theophobe is to hate or fear someone for being religious. There are plenty of theophobic people in the world who openly proclaim their hatred of religion and people of religion, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Catholicism. Do they get called out? Yes, but only when it’s convenient.
There’s a call to hatred in this world, and so many people are letting themselves get riled up, doing all sorts of things to prove their points. Stemming from ridicule and sometimes, unfortunately, going as far as genocidal. They do what makes them feel good for the moment, whatever gets their dopamine levels maxed out, rather than what’ll help them and others in the long-run.
So, then, rather than getting made with each other and ripping each other to bits, let’s slow down, take a look at what happened yesterday, find out what went wrong, and fix it today. Rather than labeling everyone who disagrees with you as one big clot of you-a-phobia, shut up, get out of your head, and talk.
It’s not a nice message, I know, and that’s the way it should be. Everyone’s too nice nowadays, and I, myself, have been guilty of this on many occasions. Niceness is letting a problem explode because you’re afraid of receiving ridicule for doing the right thing. Kindness is defusing a problem knowing that you’ll receive ridicule, but will help someone along the way in doing so.
I’m not someone who believes in the whole “coexist” movement. It’s the tolerance of all belief systems. Not all beliefs systems are tolerable. However, I believe in tolerating people, and even more than that, helping them get on the right path. As a Catholic, it is my duty to spread the Faith to as many people as I can. Not everyone is going to agree with me, but that doesn’t mean I can’t treat them like people. That doesn’t mean I can’t help them in their darkest and hardest times, and do my very best to comfort them.
As I said, I have many friends who support or are allied with the LGBTQ, and I love them all very much. Yes, I acknowledge that I’m being preachy here, but I needed to get this across. Don’t look at people who disagree with you as the slime of the earth. Look at them as potential new friends whom you can help, and vise versa. Don’t label them as mere “homophobes,” “transphobes,” “theophobes,” what have you. Every good man can become just as evil, and every evil man can become just as good.
Averagemoe almost 4 years ago
Well, acceptance is increasing. Maybe someday, unicorns will be able to show themselves to humans without the Shield of Boringness.
RuinQueenofOblivion almost 4 years ago
Really not narrowing it down… wow we watched some messed up stuff when we were younger.
codycab almost 4 years ago
“It was a different time” applies to a lot of things. Mostly Disney movies where some characters smoked.
Michael Thorton almost 4 years ago
That’s in fact one of the major dualities around the great British 70s sitcom “Mind Your Language”.
It focuses on an ESL class taught by Jeremy Brown (Barry Evans), full of minorities, all of whom have their issues and accents with learning the language, played up for comic effect.
The BBC canned the show after three seasons fearing racial backlash from the countries and communities mentioned…
…which, ironically, turned out…
…to be its biggest fans! And even today they still want more!
Why? Because the “stereotypes” reflected their memories of the old country and harmonized with their experiences in the new one! (As they still do, and you need to be an ESL teacher – like my college “twin sister”, now living and teaching in Orleans – to get this)
So maybe while Marlo Thomas and John Ritter have suffered the passage of time…
…Barry Evans, Albert Moses, Francoise Pascal and George Camiller will weather through.
(For more on cultural differences between the old and the new, watch “Bob Hearts Abishola”)
Concretionist almost 4 years ago
Whoa. I’m pretty sure that laying that on a kid is bad parenting. Though if I recall correctly (not quite 70 years later), I pretty much figured that all adults were too lame to pay attention to, unless there was a potential for punishment or food…
kaykeyser almost 4 years ago
I was pondering this topic earlier. Like we will ban song of the South or F-Troop or part of Dumbo but Hogan’s Heroes is still on nd we ll still love “A Christmas Story”
Pedmar Premium Member almost 4 years ago
A couple years ago I tried to watch an episode of ALF. All I could think was, “I can’t believe this was one of my favorite shows in the 80s!”
sallyseckman almost 4 years ago
That’s for sure. I didn’t know the LGBTQA+ group didn’t exist until years later since they weren’t blatant with it in the kids shows I watched. It wasn’t until Modern Family that I was shown that they form family units
Monster Hesh almost 4 years ago
I’ve read a lot of ‘40s comic books—it’s weird how one can be nostalgic about an era that ended before one was born—and WOW I’ve seen things. “It was a different time,” indeed. But I understand (and, to a degree, accept) that, without condoning or making excuses for the truly deplorable stuff. And it wasn’t all awful; even in wartime Batman or the Justice Society would park the jingoism for a brief moment and celebrate American diversity.
But this is also true of some of my favorite British TV comedies from years past. The Young Ones or Father Ted would get “risky” while making fun of racism, but Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Fawlty Towers would occasionally be straight-up racist. (And there’s MY ultimate heartbreaker—seeing that John Cleese has aged over recent years into just another hypocritical reactionary bigot, and realizing that even back then he was probably the source of the uglier stuff in the aforementioned shows.)
So if MGM wants to tack a disclaimer to the beginning of Gone With The Wind, or Disney wants to keep Song of the South locked in the vault, or Warners doesn’t want to release certain cartoons because of blatantly bigoted content, that’s fine by me. It’s theirs to do with as they please—and I know the ones bawling “censorship” the loudest are simply angry that society is growing up and they don’t want to come with.
Billavi Premium Member almost 4 years ago
It’s cyclical. The kids of today will be horrified at how offensive the entertainment of their children will be.
Brass Orchid Premium Member almost 4 years ago
For tomorrow, your judginess will weigh you like a millstone.
StoicLion1973 almost 4 years ago
Or, many people today are overly sensitive scolds incapable of seeing the humor in things from times past.
Neo Stryder almost 4 years ago
The show business now is worst than in the previous century.
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I really like mom.
mistie710 almost 4 years ago
When I see this sort of thing come up, I always ask who it is that is really offended by whatever perceived slight is being made. The problem is that while some slights have been legitimately identified as being offensive to the people that are being slighted, others are simply the result of where a slight is imagined and is called out not by those that are slighted but by those that perceive some possible situation that, in the end, doesn’t exist. Too often, especially these days, some cry-bully will kvetch about some word or other that they believe has an offensive meaning and insist we do not use it. The most recent example I came across was the word “boob”. Somebody got really upset when they heard it. (My response was to enquire if they had ever seen The Beatles in Yellow Submarine, in particular the scenes featuring Jeremy Hillary Boob Phd.)
Lucky loo almost 4 years ago
This is starting to get boring
prairiedogdance Premium Member almost 4 years ago
As an example of how any common truth can turn out to be misguided with more knowledge, I like to mention to those particularly militant, self righteous, in your face vegans that some scientists just recently discovered plants make a tiny scream-like noise only when damaged or harvested. Plus, that whole hectares-wide mushroom/forest tree communication thing….. just pointing out in this sinful world there is no such thing as a cruelty-free lunch. yeah, I’m not proud, but it is a satisfying guilty takedown. here’s a link https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-record-stressed-out-plants-emitting-ultrasonic-squeals-180973716/
Aladar30 Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Probably the best advice ever!
Major Matt Mason Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Preachiness, however, is eternal.
SociallyAwkwardDashite almost 4 years ago
At least the 90’s showed some progress. Shows like Friends and Gilmore Girls tried to rectify some of the male domination.
Better than Dion releasing a song in the early 60’s that’s casually misogynistic (though The Wanderer still kind of slaps).
TheBetterYouTuberNamedLogan almost 4 years ago
What if there’s a story arc where Phoebe & Marigold use magic to travel to the future and they meet “Adult Phoebe”?!
InquireWithin almost 4 years ago
The Flintstones existed in a time when commercials weren’t kept separate from the shows, and they had commercials for cigarettes embedded in the show (along with incredibly sexist tropes).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c
Nicole ♫ ⊱✿ ◕‿◕✿⊰♫ Premium Member almost 4 years ago
It’s also that as a child some of that stuff would go over your head no matter what decade it is. We didn’t notice it because of what she explained but also because well…we were kids! lol
MAGA Premium Member almost 4 years ago
In other words: the powers that be decided everything is offensive. So the alphabet group gets their collective panties in a wad over notheing.
C: over 2 years ago
Just LOOK at her dad’s expression while her mom was saying “GO MY CHILD! Luxuriate in your blessful ignorance!”
jerrica.benton333 about 1 year ago
they must be watching the dana carvey show
Joseph comicinthestrip 10 days ago
Since this comic addresses modern issues, I, myself, will address a modern issue: The word “homophobic” is used too much. By extension, “transphobic,” as well as many other words that describe phobias against the LGBTQ, are also used too much. Way too much.
I’ll say right here right now that I disagree with everything the LGBTQ believes and stands for. As a practicing Catholic, the actions of the LGBTQ impose spiritual and moral law, ultimately contradicting God’s holy plan. Rather than stopping to think about if their desires are physically, morally, and spiritually, they simply dive deeper.
Aside from the obvious boldness of my argument, did you notice anything else? I didn’t say I hated anyone associated with the LGBTQ, nor do I hate allies, homosexuals, etc. I have plenty of friends who support that community. I make it clear that my beliefs are much different in a civil and friendly manner.
Getting back to the topical word, “homophobic” is a term that, in most cases, people would use to describe me. To be a homophobe is to hate or fear someone for being homosexual or having homosexual tendencies. That’s a basic form of the definition. Now, people often use it as a means of defining someone who disagrees with homosexuality.
What about “theophobic?” To be a theophobe is to hate or fear someone for being religious. There are plenty of theophobic people in the world who openly proclaim their hatred of religion and people of religion, especially Judaism, Christianity, and Catholicism. Do they get called out? Yes, but only when it’s convenient.
There’s a call to hatred in this world, and so many people are letting themselves get riled up, doing all sorts of things to prove their points. Stemming from ridicule and sometimes, unfortunately, going as far as genocidal. They do what makes them feel good for the moment, whatever gets their dopamine levels maxed out, rather than what’ll help them and others in the long-run.
Joseph comicinthestrip 10 days ago
So, then, rather than getting made with each other and ripping each other to bits, let’s slow down, take a look at what happened yesterday, find out what went wrong, and fix it today. Rather than labeling everyone who disagrees with you as one big clot of you-a-phobia, shut up, get out of your head, and talk.
It’s not a nice message, I know, and that’s the way it should be. Everyone’s too nice nowadays, and I, myself, have been guilty of this on many occasions. Niceness is letting a problem explode because you’re afraid of receiving ridicule for doing the right thing. Kindness is defusing a problem knowing that you’ll receive ridicule, but will help someone along the way in doing so.
I’m not someone who believes in the whole “coexist” movement. It’s the tolerance of all belief systems. Not all beliefs systems are tolerable. However, I believe in tolerating people, and even more than that, helping them get on the right path. As a Catholic, it is my duty to spread the Faith to as many people as I can. Not everyone is going to agree with me, but that doesn’t mean I can’t treat them like people. That doesn’t mean I can’t help them in their darkest and hardest times, and do my very best to comfort them.
As I said, I have many friends who support or are allied with the LGBTQ, and I love them all very much. Yes, I acknowledge that I’m being preachy here, but I needed to get this across. Don’t look at people who disagree with you as the slime of the earth. Look at them as potential new friends whom you can help, and vise versa. Don’t label them as mere “homophobes,” “transphobes,” “theophobes,” what have you. Every good man can become just as evil, and every evil man can become just as good.
So, then, who will you be?