Now with Lula Brazil isn’t an authoritarian country anymore, while us with mr. Meloni (not a typo: she wants to be called “mr. President”) are on the way to become it.
It appears that some people want to establish their individuality by being anonymous. I don’t have a problem with that, but maybe you don’t get to change me so you can be you. Not sure how that works.
We already had a pronoun to describe a person without defining gender: “One”. As in, “how does one know how many gender-indefinite people it takes when ‘they’ change a light bulb?”
Too bad our linguist hasn’t weighed in. Don’t forget the Romance languages are different from English. Who knows what the rules are in Portuguese? We often refer to people as the common man in English, meaning men and women, not just men.
In the grand scheme of things and it is up to you to decide which of the many schemes going on now is the grand one and of course the most important one does it matter what pronoun a person wants to use anymore than it does that the parts in the Mr. and Mrs. PotatoHead are interchangeable and that they are now simply The PotatoHeads? And even over that inconsequential tidbit they became most unhinged in their outrage over that several months ago now did they not? Why did not they even say that there were no pronouns in the Constitution and thereby prove that they failed English class or more likely never read the Preamble? They did do that and they probably are fuming over this. They have a big problem and the problem is of course theirs and theirs only but they will never get that part
IF the dems lose the house and/or senate in this election, we all are in deep ca-ca. I can’t believe there are that many ignorant immoral people in the USA but maybe I’ll have to become a believer. Hope not.
There are the common schoolmarm reminders about pronoun agreement, stamping out instances of he were or we was. And stamping out the singular they in favor of an actual singular is just one more instance of using correct language. It has 2 salutary benefits:
(1) It does not add ambiguity of number to ambiguity of gender. Trying to substitute a new error for an existing one is seldom a good idea, especially since the likely outcome is that both errors will be in circulation simultaneously.
(2) It avoids the 2 likeliest results of such a practice:
(2A) Everybody has to spend way more time than necessary trying to figure out what was meant for each use of they.
(2B) Or they don’t spend that amount of time, and misunderstandings follow.
As to the idea that everybody is entitled to be addressed by the pronouns they favor for themselves, anybody who feels like making that case to me should use my own personally preferred pronouns: “majesty”, “your royal highness”, and “milord’s”.
The problem with “they” is that it’s been overloaded too much, to use a programming term. When a word has too many meanings it isn’t quite as useful as it once was. They had been used as a singular prounoun in vernacular English for longer than I’ve been talking, which I started doing in 1948. We really need a bunch of new words. Consider gender based kinship words. Aunt uncle and ? Are ships really all feminine? We need something like the French “on.” The English “one” sounds too effete. There’s nothing wrong with accepting the truth that there is a continuum of gender and sexual orientation. It’s not a new idea. Freud wrote about it in the 19th century and it’s a safe bet that he wasn’t the first to think of it.
If I’m the third person in a dialog, I don’t care what 3rd-person pronoun the two conversing people use about me or anyone else. I’m probably not present anyhow, so I’ll never know and never be offended.
RAGs about 2 years ago
“They” is also the name of evil enemy in republican campaign mailers
Renatus Profuturus Frigeridus Premium Member about 2 years ago
Now with Lula Brazil isn’t an authoritarian country anymore, while us with mr. Meloni (not a typo: she wants to be called “mr. President”) are on the way to become it.
Petercowen about 2 years ago
They Came from Outer Space.
Alexander the Good Enough about 2 years ago
“They” is clearly the latest fad, the latest crusade. Everyone wants to be a “they…”
Alabama Al about 2 years ago
Just who are “They”? The Illuminati, of course.
lalapalooza Premium Member about 2 years ago
We are the World.
Susan00100 about 2 years ago
I’m disappointed; this strip is not up to GT’s usual Sunday standards.
David Wolfson Premium Member about 2 years ago
“They” would actually be appropriate for the non-binary kids; the trans kids use “he” and “she.”
montessoriteacher about 2 years ago
We have spoken of they in the past. They are the evildoers. As mentioned, trans kids also use they nowadays.
Bruce1253 about 2 years ago
With real issues threatening our democracy, why spend time on this foolishness?
Bruce Rock/Paper/Scissors
Free or Not? Premium Member about 2 years ago
That’s because they are grooming our kids to be trans.
kaffekup about 2 years ago
I was hoping he’d return to the strip that had Sam planning to go to Georgia to hand out food and water to voters as an act of civil disobedience.
cdnalor about 2 years ago
Still not as scary as “Them!”(1954)
Snolep about 2 years ago
But “we” are the champions, my friends.
vaughnrl2003 Premium Member about 2 years ago
It appears that some people want to establish their individuality by being anonymous. I don’t have a problem with that, but maybe you don’t get to change me so you can be you. Not sure how that works.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member about 2 years ago
Some say this is not true about “They”!
PaulAbbott2 about 2 years ago
Nice comment on the Red Scare. “They” were a favorite source for Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn
mistercatworks about 2 years ago
We already had a pronoun to describe a person without defining gender: “One”. As in, “how does one know how many gender-indefinite people it takes when ‘they’ change a light bulb?”
dwdl21 about 2 years ago
Yeah well, “they” will take the House and Senate on Tuesday and if the Dems don’t get it together “IT” will be back in the White House in 24.
The Wolf In Your Midst about 2 years ago
Who knew that Shakespeare was so woke?
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https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/805591
BeniHanna6 Premium Member about 2 years ago
This type of thing is why the Democratic party has lost a lot of independents and a few moderate Democrats.
quixotic3 about 2 years ago
There are two ways to affiliate: inclusively or exclusively.
Once you turn someone into the “other”, bad consequences ensue. Look up the Stanford prison experiment to see how quickly things go awry.
akosoffsky about 2 years ago
Thank you Mr. Trudeau!
Whatever happened to common sense? about 2 years ago
It’s pathetic how many people still watch FOX “News” and actually fall for its rubbish.
montessoriteacher about 2 years ago
Too bad our linguist hasn’t weighed in. Don’t forget the Romance languages are different from English. Who knows what the rules are in Portuguese? We often refer to people as the common man in English, meaning men and women, not just men.
ajr58(1) about 2 years ago
I was wondering where FoN had been – then I saw the news that Russia reactivated its trolls
prrdh about 2 years ago
“So what happened to your earlier claim that it couldn’t be done?”
WickWire64 about 2 years ago
In the grand scheme of things and it is up to you to decide which of the many schemes going on now is the grand one and of course the most important one does it matter what pronoun a person wants to use anymore than it does that the parts in the Mr. and Mrs. PotatoHead are interchangeable and that they are now simply The PotatoHeads? And even over that inconsequential tidbit they became most unhinged in their outrage over that several months ago now did they not? Why did not they even say that there were no pronouns in the Constitution and thereby prove that they failed English class or more likely never read the Preamble? They did do that and they probably are fuming over this. They have a big problem and the problem is of course theirs and theirs only but they will never get that part
I Play One On TV about 2 years ago
Well, you know what they say…..
felipenollaFFA about 2 years ago
GT will wake to a very hard reality after the midterms, well he doesn’t care, hard core liberals are like that…….
weh99 about 2 years ago
IF the dems lose the house and/or senate in this election, we all are in deep ca-ca. I can’t believe there are that many ignorant immoral people in the USA but maybe I’ll have to become a believer. Hope not.
Richard S Russell Premium Member about 2 years ago
There are the common schoolmarm reminders about pronoun agreement, stamping out instances of he were or we was. And stamping out the singular they in favor of an actual singular is just one more instance of using correct language. It has 2 salutary benefits:
(1) It does not add ambiguity of number to ambiguity of gender. Trying to substitute a new error for an existing one is seldom a good idea, especially since the likely outcome is that both errors will be in circulation simultaneously.
(2) It avoids the 2 likeliest results of such a practice:
(2A) Everybody has to spend way more time than necessary trying to figure out what was meant for each use of they.
(2B) Or they don’t spend that amount of time, and misunderstandings follow.
As to the idea that everybody is entitled to be addressed by the pronouns they favor for themselves, anybody who feels like making that case to me should use my own personally preferred pronouns: “majesty”, “your royal highness”, and “milord’s”.
kaffekup about 2 years ago
Benny Hill as a quiz show host: “Give me two pronouns.”
Contestant: “Who, me?”
BH: “That is correct!”
Ka`ōnōhi`ula`okahōkūmiomio`ehiku Premium Member about 2 years ago
My Honolulu newspaper just pulled this strip. Or moved it into Sports.
willie_mctell about 2 years ago
The problem with “they” is that it’s been overloaded too much, to use a programming term. When a word has too many meanings it isn’t quite as useful as it once was. They had been used as a singular prounoun in vernacular English for longer than I’ve been talking, which I started doing in 1948. We really need a bunch of new words. Consider gender based kinship words. Aunt uncle and ? Are ships really all feminine? We need something like the French “on.” The English “one” sounds too effete. There’s nothing wrong with accepting the truth that there is a continuum of gender and sexual orientation. It’s not a new idea. Freud wrote about it in the 19th century and it’s a safe bet that he wasn’t the first to think of it.
Fuzzy Kombu about 2 years ago
He shoulda just stopped at panel 2: ‘Whatever happened to “we”?’
JH&Cats about 2 years ago
If I’m the third person in a dialog, I don’t care what 3rd-person pronoun the two conversing people use about me or anyone else. I’m probably not present anyhow, so I’ll never know and never be offended.
198.23.5.11 about 2 years ago
“They used to be called “Not Me” over at FAMILY CIRCUS;he’s mutated.
The Brooklyn Accent Premium Member about 2 years ago
“Have you heard of the terrible family They,
And the dreadful, venomous things They say?
Why, half the gossip under the sun,
If you trace it back, you will find begun
In that wretched House of They."
—Ella Wheeler Wilcox (1850-1919)
http://www.ellawheelerwilcox.org/poems/ptheysay.htm
sisterea about 2 years ago
I am kind of glad I didn’t read this until polls started to close.