An historic injustice, long overdue for remediation, finally corrected.
Star players like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige and other stars of the Kansas City Monarchs, Homestead Grays, Detroit Stars would have been stars in the National League and American League, so that players like Ty Cobb (the “Georgia Peach,” an outspoken Southern racist), Cy Young, Babe Ruth and others whose stats were inflated because they never had to compete against the superstars like Gibson, Paige and others that dominated the old Nëgro Leagues, and instead got to play against weaker, watered-down talent that took the places that should have gone to those superstars. In like manner, the Nëgro League stats were inflated because they, too, did not have the chance to face the best talent in the American and National Leagues. Both white and black superstars were denied the opportunity to prove their talents against a full field of top talent until Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier.
It is only fitting and proper that the Nëgro Leagues also be accorded full major league status, equal with the National and American Leagues, because its players were of fully equal or greater skill and ability than those in the watered-down white leagues who never had to compete against them. (In exhibition competition between National League, American League and Nëgro Leagues teams, the even balance in outcomes over the years proves that they were of equal talent and skill).
Justice has been long in coming — too long (justice delayed has been justice denied for the Nëgro League players who did not live to see this day) — but it is good that at least the historical record will now be a more honest and complete accounting of baseball history.
Baseball statistics are tricky. Do they include all professional leagues? Would that include the Japanese Leagues too? I think Oh is the all time Homerun leader.
You can’t just say all American teams either as part of the MLB is in Canada. Minor League Statistics aren’t generally included in the HOF, right?
All baseball parks are different. That is just the nature of baseball, But the rules are slightly different too. I don’t know how much that matters, but statistics are important to baseball geeks. The rules, and sizes of the pitching mounds have been adjusted over time.
Should the baseball HOF include the N*gro Leagues? Definitely. The Japanese Leagues? I don’t know. (Taiwan has a League too, I think). I’m just wary of mixing statistics from League to League.
While the incorporation of N*gro League statistics into MLB statistics is long overdue, the only person noting any objection to it is Clay, and only because he can’t resist race baiting!
conservatives villainize “woke”. “woke”, much like ‘politically correct’, is simply showing consideration for your fellow American. Correcting history. Do conservatives oppose showing consideration, or just oppose Americans?
I said from the beginning that if the jurors had a rock bottom bare minimum of intelligence, honesty, patriotism, and sanity, they would convict Traitor Trump on all counts.
Don’t forget Oscar Charleston,another unbelievably fantastic black player….so many of those fellas would’ve whomped the butts of the likes of Ty Cobb,et al…..THAT’S why they weren’t allowed to play in the BIGS…..
Cobb was pretty typical of upper middle class Georgians of his day as far as racial attitudes are concerned. His family situation growing up was more Faulknerish. He was not a nice guy.
Maybe we could jazz up Baseball by mashing it with other games. Maybe every third pitch, use a tennis ball. Make shortstop, wear Hockey gloves on both hands. Put BIG mud-puddle at first base. Losing team gets to throw pig out onto field, while ball in play. Hire umpire with seeing eye dog.
Me fulla good ideas today. Me see trump on TV today. He not look so good. trump got many troubles. Maybe he got bad fortune cookie from chinese take-out? Not sure.
DD Wiz Premium Member about 1 month ago
An historic injustice, long overdue for remediation, finally corrected.
Star players like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige and other stars of the Kansas City Monarchs, Homestead Grays, Detroit Stars would have been stars in the National League and American League, so that players like Ty Cobb (the “Georgia Peach,” an outspoken Southern racist), Cy Young, Babe Ruth and others whose stats were inflated because they never had to compete against the superstars like Gibson, Paige and others that dominated the old Nëgro Leagues, and instead got to play against weaker, watered-down talent that took the places that should have gone to those superstars. In like manner, the Nëgro League stats were inflated because they, too, did not have the chance to face the best talent in the American and National Leagues. Both white and black superstars were denied the opportunity to prove their talents against a full field of top talent until Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier.
It is only fitting and proper that the Nëgro Leagues also be accorded full major league status, equal with the National and American Leagues, because its players were of fully equal or greater skill and ability than those in the watered-down white leagues who never had to compete against them. (In exhibition competition between National League, American League and Nëgro Leagues teams, the even balance in outcomes over the years proves that they were of equal talent and skill).
Justice has been long in coming — too long (justice delayed has been justice denied for the Nëgro League players who did not live to see this day) — but it is good that at least the historical record will now be a more honest and complete accounting of baseball history.
Hello Everyone about 1 month ago
Baseball statistics are tricky. Do they include all professional leagues? Would that include the Japanese Leagues too? I think Oh is the all time Homerun leader.
You can’t just say all American teams either as part of the MLB is in Canada. Minor League Statistics aren’t generally included in the HOF, right?
All baseball parks are different. That is just the nature of baseball, But the rules are slightly different too. I don’t know how much that matters, but statistics are important to baseball geeks. The rules, and sizes of the pitching mounds have been adjusted over time.
Should the baseball HOF include the N*gro Leagues? Definitely. The Japanese Leagues? I don’t know. (Taiwan has a League too, I think). I’m just wary of mixing statistics from League to League.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member about 1 month ago
They could just change Cobb’s inscription to read “Baseball’s nastiest player.”
scote1379 Premium Member about 1 month ago
Oh Joy more statistics for the game callers to bore me with !
phritzg Premium Member about 1 month ago
How soon will it be before the white nationalist wing of the GQP starts screaming about how they’re being replaced?
mourdac Premium Member about 1 month ago
From all accounts, a nasty racist man but hardly alone in baseball (and the society) of the times.
Direwolf about 1 month ago
Darn those black guys for being such good athletes. How DARE they be better than our white heroes! /s
Upton O'Goode about 1 month ago
If they had played with the black kids coming up they would have been better players!
Groucho & Redd Panda about 1 month ago
Baseball…all around dullest way to get a sunburn.
Only thing duller than watching baseball, is listening to some dope sportscaster, telling you what you’re seeing.
Anyone hear about a verdict? Anyone?mac04416 about 1 month ago
Definition of stupidity: Holding history to today’s standard. As smart as a Hammering a square peg in a round hole.
Chazz about 1 month ago
If you made them play in another league, then count it!
rossevrymn about 1 month ago
What will Clay be putting out tomorrow? In all fairness, Bramhall and Britt already put something out.
SammySnyder about 1 month ago
While the incorporation of N*gro League statistics into MLB statistics is long overdue, the only person noting any objection to it is Clay, and only because he can’t resist race baiting!
fourteenpeeves about 1 month ago
Monte Irvin and Roy Campanella played in both regular and non-regular leagues—-which statistics do we use for them?
ncorgbl about 1 month ago
conservatives villainize “woke”. “woke”, much like ‘politically correct’, is simply showing consideration for your fellow American. Correcting history. Do conservatives oppose showing consideration, or just oppose Americans?
Another Take about 1 month ago
An infamous racist being replaced by a black man. Unfortunately he’ll never know.
Groucho & Redd Panda about 1 month ago
Hope tomorrow bring sweet comic from Clayton on poor mr. trump and his raw deal in court…boo hoo.
FunFact=Clayton Moore best actor for Lone Ranger series.
Godfreydaniel about 1 month ago
I said from the beginning that if the jurors had a rock bottom bare minimum of intelligence, honesty, patriotism, and sanity, they would convict Traitor Trump on all counts.
oldchas about 1 month ago
From Field of Dreams. Shoeless Joe Jackson said “We didn’t invite Ty Cobb. No one liked that S.O.B.”
ragsarooni Premium Member about 1 month ago
Don’t forget Oscar Charleston,another unbelievably fantastic black player….so many of those fellas would’ve whomped the butts of the likes of Ty Cobb,et al…..THAT’S why they weren’t allowed to play in the BIGS…..
willie_mctell about 1 month ago
Cobb was pretty typical of upper middle class Georgians of his day as far as racial attitudes are concerned. His family situation growing up was more Faulknerish. He was not a nice guy.
Groucho & Redd Panda about 1 month ago
Maybe we could jazz up Baseball by mashing it with other games. Maybe every third pitch, use a tennis ball. Make shortstop, wear Hockey gloves on both hands. Put BIG mud-puddle at first base. Losing team gets to throw pig out onto field, while ball in play. Hire umpire with seeing eye dog.
Me fulla good ideas today. Me see trump on TV today. He not look so good. trump got many troubles. Maybe he got bad fortune cookie from chinese take-out? Not sure.