Man: Oops... it seems my outrage has been misdirected. Apparently all our problems have been due to women's contraception... News from the culture war front
Um, the issue is whether or not her INSURANCE has to pay for her contraception, not whether or not it’s AVAILABLE. Perhaps she should try a different insurer or a different plan. Gotta be better than making me pay for it.
Is is worth pointing out that the real issue is whether the national government has the power to command private entities to provide insurance that must cover birth control, even if it violates their religious beliefs, and that no one is talking about women not being able to use contraception?
Nah; let’s just lie and demagogue it, like Miller.
Is that the problem! I thought our issues had to do with the economy and jobs. Just get all women everywhere free contraception for life and the world will be perfect. Who’s that digging into my wallet again?
Thank the Democrats. No one brought it up until Stephanopoulos threw it at Romney during a debate a few months ago. Totally out of left field. Romney was taken aback and responded that no one was talking about contraception. It’s collusion between the Dems and media. They ginned this up just to make an issue. None of this happened by chance.
Whether we like it or not, employer provided insurance is a benefit. it is not our due (unfortunately); nor is it ours to dictate which insurance we are offered. I personally cannot afford my own insurance policy. Sucks for me
Yes, and Limbaugh was once found with a stash of Viagra. So if she wants to do it, she’s a slut and a prostitute – if Rush wants to do it, what does that make him? All the words for male promiscuity are vaguely positive.
We need NPG (Negative Population Growth)! Free contraception, abortions-on-demand, etc etc. The ideal population for the earth is 38 million +/- a million or so. At 6.2 billion, we got some whittling to do! :^}
Let me see…I go to work for the Church of Christ, Scientist and I do not get any insurance because I do not need it (according to their beliefs). Or maybe I will go to work for the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their insurance does not cover any major surgical procedure because of their oppostition to blood transfusions. Do you think that will work?
Ahhh – what pundits blather and rant about is rarely a REAL issue, and we only diminish ourselves by ranting about them here on a comics page.
Instead of being outraged about contraception, we should start getting outraged at … well, outrage.
(BTW – JW’s have nothing to do with politics so are not involved in this debate, yet do take contraceptives, buy insurance, and accept every major surgical procedure. They do not accept blood, but tens of thousands of doctors and hundreds of hospitals worldwide offer transfusion-free medical care because it is safer for anyone who thinks blood is just “icky”. So, how did they end up in this debate today?)
walruscarver: It was until about 90 years ago when they discovered priests were sending their offerings to their orders’ headquarters in Spain. Too colonial, so they became a secular country with separation of church and state – like the US used to be.
personal choice does not mean free contraceptives must be provided. remember the original idea was that there be FREE contraceptives provided. Wiley you did a great job.
actual Rick Santorum quote: “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”
All I have to say is – I hope Ms. Fluke does not accept his apology and if Rush wants to see a video of Ms. Fluke having sex – what does that make him? Never mind, I know what he is.
Nope, the idea behind insurance is indemnification against risk. Regular, predictable expenses such as birth control are precisely what insurance shouldn’t be for. Do you file a claim with your auto insurance every time your car needs an oil change?
NONE of the plans offered by my insurance company offer contraception coverage, though my agent said that may change in June. What I don’t understand is why people think they will be paying for my contraception if the option is extended to me. The premiums will still be paid by myself and my employer. The coverage itself will be paid by the insurance company. How exactly is asking for the option (my employer isn’t Catholic, it’s just that the company they chose doesn’t offer the coverage and the new law will apparently make the insurance company offer it) forcing someone else to pay for my health insurance. Seriously, somebody explain that to me, please.
I’m basically pro-choice and think contraception should be employed as desired, especially by those who can’t care for an overabundance of offspring.
However, Orion and Wizard, et al, are correct. Medical insurance is meant to cover disease or injury. Contraception supplies (a quite literal OPTION) should no more be a REQUIRED insurable than soap or toothpaste. This is true even if it would seem to make long-term financial sense to cover at least some forms, just like it would for preventive dental care…a more universal need that is NOT mandated.
While most comments are centered on contraception, The subject here should be women’s health. Contraceptive drugs are used for other purposes than preventing pregnancies. In those cases, It can be the same as a doctor prescribing an antibiotic for a life threatening disease. Even though the doctor prescribes the drug, it is denied because it can also be used as a contraceptive. (Written with first hand knowledge of the denial of coverage)
I won’t use any of my rants today — all the good stuff has been said. I do want to say that, although Orion 13 started the ball rolling, most of you have forgotten that just a few short weeks ago he wrote he was only 13 years old and I think some of you could have been a little gentler in your reprimands. Not that I agree in any way with what he had to say today, and if he wants to play with the big kids, well….
I think I will start medical insurance company – I won’t cover AIDS or cancer or childbirth or major surgery – If you don’t need these services come to me and we’ll both make a killing.
The biggest problem in the world is women’s conception, not contraception! Let’s keep that in mind. There’s plenty of kids out there. We only need so many to mow the lawn and shovel the snow….Mr. Miller, thanks for the link, and congratulations. Your writing and your drawing are the best I’ve seen. And I could name all the names, from Breathed to Watterson, and all the ones in between. Oliphant, say. But that would make me sound like a know it all. So I’ll just say thanks. You make my day. You of all people know the beauty of a good belly laugh. Especially one that makes you think…Rock on Garth!
From all the republican candidates it seems that is the only thing that matters, putting themselves into women’s homes, relationships and that they begin to have lots mots more children It’s too bad that that’s the way it is. Except for the most of republicans in office, plus people like Limbaugh. Who think the most important thing is to make Obama failTHat is most important to McConnell.
“The Pill” covers far more than contraception. To ban that medicine from all women because your religion does not approve, is establishing your religion as the state church and infringing on the free exercise of religions that say women are also children of God and have unalienable rights the same as males.
Here we have a superb portrait of the modern political mind: masterful, skeptical, sure of itself, proud of finding its own direction and deriving its insights from deep thought and profound, personal analysis.
As illustrated in" Wiley’s All Dude World"? Yeah, you’re right on there big guy.
And Orion-13… do you even know what the lady’s argument is?
The law school she attends BY INVITATION requires that all persons, faculty and students, buy the insurance PROVIDED BY the University. That, mandated insurance covers contraception for the faculty but NOT for students. She and the rest of the student body want to know why the difference? As it stands now, the students pay, in addition to the regular premiums, their own extra premiums for contraception out of their own pocket.
Now, what part of her health insurance are you paying for?
You should really get all the facts before showing us your ignorance.
kittenpah almost 13 years ago
Ah, outrage. So much more accessible than understanding.
pouncingtiger almost 13 years ago
Thank you Rick Santorum! Sheesh!!
Proginoskes almost 13 years ago
Yes, if every woman had taken birth control a hundred years ago, we wouldn’t have any problems today.
rayannina almost 13 years ago
If only Limbaugh and Santorum’s mothers had used birth control …
Orion-13 almost 13 years ago
Um, the issue is whether or not her INSURANCE has to pay for her contraception, not whether or not it’s AVAILABLE. Perhaps she should try a different insurer or a different plan. Gotta be better than making me pay for it.
Nice shifting of the target there, tho, libs.
Orion
seyleigh almost 13 years ago
If we are forced to have health insurance, we should get something out of it. Everyone needs contraception, even Catholic priests!
seyleigh almost 13 years ago
Correction, if we are forced to PAY for health insurance, we should get something out if it.
sizer99 almost 13 years ago
If you’re seriously arguing about the comic, then you’ve already lost. Wiley’s a masterful troll. And I don’t mean that in a bad way.
walruscarver2000 almost 13 years ago
But…but…but..Mexico is a Catholic country.
scpandich almost 13 years ago
Is is worth pointing out that the real issue is whether the national government has the power to command private entities to provide insurance that must cover birth control, even if it violates their religious beliefs, and that no one is talking about women not being able to use contraception?
Nah; let’s just lie and demagogue it, like Miller.
sykerocker almost 13 years ago
Ba-dump!
tripwire45 almost 13 years ago
Is that the problem! I thought our issues had to do with the economy and jobs. Just get all women everywhere free contraception for life and the world will be perfect. Who’s that digging into my wallet again?
PICTO almost 13 years ago
Nachikethass almost 13 years ago
Misogyny doesn’t cover most of these comments!
V-Beast almost 13 years ago
and if you work for the jehovah witness, you wont be covered for any blood transfusions.
sacqueboutier almost 13 years ago
Thank the Democrats. No one brought it up until Stephanopoulos threw it at Romney during a debate a few months ago. Totally out of left field. Romney was taken aback and responded that no one was talking about contraception. It’s collusion between the Dems and media. They ginned this up just to make an issue. None of this happened by chance.
neeeurothrush almost 13 years ago
Whether we like it or not, employer provided insurance is a benefit. it is not our due (unfortunately); nor is it ours to dictate which insurance we are offered. I personally cannot afford my own insurance policy. Sucks for me
Sandfan almost 13 years ago
Santorum wanted to call his plan “the final solution”, but discovered that had already been used.
roctor almost 13 years ago
Politicians take monies from pharmaceutical companies while denouncing their product. Ladies back to the lemon rind for you.
Jack Straw almost 13 years ago
Yes, and Limbaugh was once found with a stash of Viagra. So if she wants to do it, she’s a slut and a prostitute – if Rush wants to do it, what does that make him? All the words for male promiscuity are vaguely positive.
Happy, happy, happy!!! Premium Member almost 13 years ago
and flush toilets.let us not forget the evil that is inherent in modern pluming…
Wiley creator almost 13 years ago
You guys might be interested in this.
http://www.comicstripoftheday.com/
Raygun almost 13 years ago
We need NPG (Negative Population Growth)! Free contraception, abortions-on-demand, etc etc. The ideal population for the earth is 38 million +/- a million or so. At 6.2 billion, we got some whittling to do! :^}
TexTech almost 13 years ago
Let me see…I go to work for the Church of Christ, Scientist and I do not get any insurance because I do not need it (according to their beliefs). Or maybe I will go to work for the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their insurance does not cover any major surgical procedure because of their oppostition to blood transfusions. Do you think that will work?
Thehag almost 13 years ago
Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
spartan1979 almost 13 years ago
It’s true. If only Rush’s mother a practiced contraception…
Can't Sleep almost 13 years ago
Go easy on Orion – he’s today’s Designated Troll, and had to think of something right-wing to say (no matter how inacurate).
Oh come on! almost 13 years ago
…. and as TRUTH twists in the wind, the separation of church and state ever decreases!
Kip W almost 13 years ago
Santorum must figure God loves poor people, and wants there to be a lot more of them.
Digital Frog almost 13 years ago
Very few insurance plans (if any) cover elective treatments such as plastic surgery. Birth control, ED drugs are elective choices in most cases,
wicky almost 13 years ago
Yeah, make birth control retoractive to 1930
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 13 years ago
“a little slow”? That’s a bit demeaning, don’t you think?
Vonne Anton almost 13 years ago
Ahhh – what pundits blather and rant about is rarely a REAL issue, and we only diminish ourselves by ranting about them here on a comics page.
Instead of being outraged about contraception, we should start getting outraged at … well, outrage.
(BTW – JW’s have nothing to do with politics so are not involved in this debate, yet do take contraceptives, buy insurance, and accept every major surgical procedure. They do not accept blood, but tens of thousands of doctors and hundreds of hospitals worldwide offer transfusion-free medical care because it is safer for anyone who thinks blood is just “icky”. So, how did they end up in this debate today?)
Nelly55 almost 13 years ago
I won’t jump into the comments hornet nest…
I’ll just say…..thanks Wiley for another timely strip
hippogriff almost 13 years ago
walruscarver: It was until about 90 years ago when they discovered priests were sending their offerings to their orders’ headquarters in Spain. Too colonial, so they became a secular country with separation of church and state – like the US used to be.
sjdjr1951 almost 13 years ago
personal choice does not mean free contraceptives must be provided. remember the original idea was that there be FREE contraceptives provided. Wiley you did a great job.
Zuria Premium Member almost 13 years ago
@orion
actual Rick Santorum quote: “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”Perkycat almost 13 years ago
All I have to say is – I hope Ms. Fluke does not accept his apology and if Rush wants to see a video of Ms. Fluke having sex – what does that make him? Never mind, I know what he is.
elbeck almost 13 years ago
Mon dieu Wiley, talk about lighting a match in the drought-ridden bush….
tigre1 almost 13 years ago
I favor retro-active birth control. I want Limpy and all his ilk in the Neo Confederate aka GOP out of the gene pool.
Wizard4168 almost 13 years ago
Nope, the idea behind insurance is indemnification against risk. Regular, predictable expenses such as birth control are precisely what insurance shouldn’t be for. Do you file a claim with your auto insurance every time your car needs an oil change?
iantheevil almost 13 years ago
It ends up way cheaper to have insurance pay for contraception than to pay for unwanted pregnancies.
notinksanymore almost 13 years ago
NONE of the plans offered by my insurance company offer contraception coverage, though my agent said that may change in June. What I don’t understand is why people think they will be paying for my contraception if the option is extended to me. The premiums will still be paid by myself and my employer. The coverage itself will be paid by the insurance company. How exactly is asking for the option (my employer isn’t Catholic, it’s just that the company they chose doesn’t offer the coverage and the new law will apparently make the insurance company offer it) forcing someone else to pay for my health insurance. Seriously, somebody explain that to me, please.
Cat Hammer almost 13 years ago
I’m basically pro-choice and think contraception should be employed as desired, especially by those who can’t care for an overabundance of offspring.
However, Orion and Wizard, et al, are correct. Medical insurance is meant to cover disease or injury. Contraception supplies (a quite literal OPTION) should no more be a REQUIRED insurable than soap or toothpaste. This is true even if it would seem to make long-term financial sense to cover at least some forms, just like it would for preventive dental care…a more universal need that is NOT mandated.
hkyjckfjt almost 13 years ago
Yea! And gay marriage- A2R*
*according to republicans
Justice22 almost 13 years ago
While most comments are centered on contraception, The subject here should be women’s health. Contraceptive drugs are used for other purposes than preventing pregnancies. In those cases, It can be the same as a doctor prescribing an antibiotic for a life threatening disease. Even though the doctor prescribes the drug, it is denied because it can also be used as a contraceptive. (Written with first hand knowledge of the denial of coverage)
BaconBoyCamper almost 13 years ago
Interesting comments. All I have to say is,I’m glad I’m Canadian!
monawarner almost 13 years ago
I won’t use any of my rants today — all the good stuff has been said. I do want to say that, although Orion 13 started the ball rolling, most of you have forgotten that just a few short weeks ago he wrote he was only 13 years old and I think some of you could have been a little gentler in your reprimands. Not that I agree in any way with what he had to say today, and if he wants to play with the big kids, well….
dflak almost 13 years ago
I think I will start medical insurance company – I won’t cover AIDS or cancer or childbirth or major surgery – If you don’t need these services come to me and we’ll both make a killing.
Varnes almost 13 years ago
The biggest problem in the world is women’s conception, not contraception! Let’s keep that in mind. There’s plenty of kids out there. We only need so many to mow the lawn and shovel the snow….Mr. Miller, thanks for the link, and congratulations. Your writing and your drawing are the best I’ve seen. And I could name all the names, from Breathed to Watterson, and all the ones in between. Oliphant, say. But that would make me sound like a know it all. So I’ll just say thanks. You make my day. You of all people know the beauty of a good belly laugh. Especially one that makes you think…Rock on Garth!
Yukoneric almost 13 years ago
They’s sum what shudda ben abortid…..
pam Miner almost 13 years ago
From all the republican candidates it seems that is the only thing that matters, putting themselves into women’s homes, relationships and that they begin to have lots mots more children It’s too bad that that’s the way it is. Except for the most of republicans in office, plus people like Limbaugh. Who think the most important thing is to make Obama failTHat is most important to McConnell.
blanche64 almost 13 years ago
it’s cheaper to pay for contraception than pregnancy and birth
Ernest Lemmingway almost 13 years ago
Outrage. The best way to rally the sheeple.
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Don’t vote, it only encourages them.
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Yup — that’s why folks lost their jobs, home, families, and life savings.
hippogriff almost 13 years ago
“The Pill” covers far more than contraception. To ban that medicine from all women because your religion does not approve, is establishing your religion as the state church and infringing on the free exercise of religions that say women are also children of God and have unalienable rights the same as males.
scpandich almost 13 years ago
Your associations with private entities are voluntary; if they get too onerous, you can always end them.
rugeirn almost 13 years ago
Here we have a superb portrait of the modern political mind: masterful, skeptical, sure of itself, proud of finding its own direction and deriving its insights from deep thought and profound, personal analysis.
EDinWAState almost 13 years ago
Ag-Go-Nee, OH, Ag-Go-Nee!
@gmartin997997
As illustrated in" Wiley’s All Dude World"? Yeah, you’re right on there big guy.
And Orion-13… do you even know what the lady’s argument is?
The law school she attends BY INVITATION requires that all persons, faculty and students, buy the insurance PROVIDED BY the University. That, mandated insurance covers contraception for the faculty but NOT for students. She and the rest of the student body want to know why the difference? As it stands now, the students pay, in addition to the regular premiums, their own extra premiums for contraception out of their own pocket.
Now, what part of her health insurance are you paying for?
You should really get all the facts before showing us your ignorance.