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Wow! So one could have potentially done nothing , turned it in, and still would have gotten credit!!! â For the students, that time could have been better spent doing something else, if it were going to end up in the âShreddy Max 5000, from Mega Shred Industriesâ, without being evaluatedâŠ. â And Luann even took the time to make a cover for her work, and keep it neat and organized! â Although the symbolism of it could be appreciated, it would seem itâs execution leaves much to be desiredâŠ.
âShred Of DignityââThe Lessen PlanââA Token Of DepreciationââMethod To Your Madness?ââTime MismanagementââFlaw InspiringââSelf ExpressionââThe Old College Try⊠Down The DrainââClass In Recessionâ" Lost Stranded In Symbolism"orâMaking Nothing, Out Of Something At Allâ
I thought the whole story when she was drawing the self-portraits was that she doesnât know who she âreallyâ is. That would then indicate that by the Professorâs criterion, there wasnât a âselfâ blocking her true art, so the shredder is unnecessary. Of course, as Luann herself has admitted, she is rather self-centered (just ask Bernice!), so maybe the Professor has some insight here.
I think I actually kind of get Zeboâs point. Heâs saying, âForget what I think of you and how you think you should present yourself to me.â The next time she has an assignment, she definitely wonât have impressing Zebo in mind. Sheâll just do whatever she wants in any way she wants to because who knows what the result will be?
Think of artists you know or know of. The sucessful ones are the ones who, as the kids say, give zero fâs. Theyâre not trying to impress anybody.
Or, think of it this way: barring mental illness, a good way to stop obsessing on your appearance is to destroy your mirrors. Thatâs what Zebo is having Luann do in this strip.
While difficult to work out âcomic timeâ I think it is fair to assume that this is just the start of the course, and so grading is not done at this time. Rather, this is mental preparation for what he wants to impart in the future.
Luann has been introduced to animation. Back during Disneyâs golden age, the top animators would produce a foot-tall stack of pencil drawings per week. Walt would glance them over, then say âI donât like it. Try again.âYou could measure the worth of your life in foot-tall stacks.
If she shreds it, that says something about how she feels about her work. This, too, is a choice, and this, too, is part of learning. The choice in this strip has not yet been madeâŠ
I knew a kid in college that had something like this happen to her. The instructor took her painting and said, âthatâs interesting. What if we tear it in half and put the pieces back to back and see what it looks like?â. And he didâŠ
I knew a kid in college that had something like this happen to her. The instructor took her painting and said, âthatâs interesting. What if we tear it in half and put the pieces back to back and see what it looks like?â. And he didâŠ
Or, the teacher is just a tool. She very well might get a better grade by refusing to submit to an order to âdestroyâ herself. Who knows whatâs in that lunaticâs head?
Most community colleges/state schools exist to help students gain skills that will enable them to support themselves, or enroll in a more advanced degree program. Since almost all colleges (community or otherwise) have a basic curriculum, itâs believable that a first year student would take an intro to art or intro to literature class as part of that overall curriculum.-Itâs not believable to me that a community college would hire someone who seems to exist just to hand out meaningless assignments and pompous statements. There are many artists who have created self portraits. An âartsâ teacher who believes than any subject (including the âselfâ) obstructs the creation of art is just a waste of time, and so is the class taught by this so-called teacher.
Self-portraiture is a longstanding tradition in art, notably to Rembrandt who did many of themâand he is one of the greatest. So this prof clearly is in the tradition of Dada, the early 20th century anti-art tradition. I assume the goth with all-black pictures will get heavy praise.
No one with any understanding of the artistic sensibility would EVER ask an artist to destroy their own work, unless it was created with the understanding that it would be destroyed. This guy is either crazy or a sadist.
You are right; he is not even a Dadaist, on that account.
Ouch, dude. thatâs harsh. On the other hand, I know nothing of art. On the gripping hand, art isnât really being taught here â this guy is a pretentious, effete attention-whore.
Colonel Zebo is a pretentious [fill-in-the-blank].
If what Col. Zebo says is true about self blocking artisitic expression then he is one massively constipated artist because Iâve never seen anyone so full of themselves.
Sheâll probably be among the only ones to get an A because she has the hardest time destroying herself. What does jock care? He Xeroed himself. Sharpie boy is shredding a bunch of black pages, whoopieâŠ
I think he is trying to get the students motivated to SAVE their art. If Luann drops her work into the shredder, the shredder will not be âonâ. Her work will not be destroyed, but because she did not âstand up forâ her art, she will not have learned Zeboâs point this time.
I think he called Luann up to the front of the class because he already knows sheâs open to taking risksâand that she would put a real effort into the assignment, so that it would mean more to her to destroy it, which means she would feel the point more deeply, to get her self-preoccupation out of the way. As for âcrueltyâ, whoâd get too attached to 17 works zipped out in such a short period of time? No way could they have been all that good!
I donât think heâd feel that way about all art teachers. Just the ones who have that similar mindset of the one that he referred to. â Much in the same way Roger Waters (through interviews) has said that he didnât hate education, nor teaching⊠just that certain teachers seemed to âfall intoâ a stereotype as depicted by the schoolteacher in âThe WallââŠ
Will we get to see whatâs going on in Mr. Rainâs (?) course in âIntroduction to the Digital Worldâ or whatever nonsense it was that Luann enrolled in for her other classes?
Mostly, âsuffering for artâ is supposed to mean becoming some âaustereâ character, becoming nothing, not daring to accept any sort of success, rejecting âany and everythingâ of society⊠some also would add that it means one must live in ânear squalorâ, and not accept âfancy livingâ, or even âhappinessâ, etc. That one must be âdourâ, ânever satisfiedâ, ânever able to experience joyousnessââŠ. all for the sake of âpursuing artâ. That one does art to sacrifice âbetter livingâ, to pursue it. This is the supposed âstereotypeâ that comes with that phrase, âsuffering for your artâ. â In a parallel situation, the same was said of âcorporate rockâ, that it was âpretentiousâ, and âevilâ, simply because of the fact that the music acts were successful in sales, or that they were backed by âthe big corporationsâ. Itâs the argument many made in support of âpunkâ, and âroots rockâ. This leads to another aspect of âsuffering for artâ: That any time one becomes rich from the work created, that itâs âsupposedâ to be unacceptable, that itâs becoming a âselloutâ. Therein lies the âCatch 22â. â So âsuffering for artâ is a âslippery slopeâ, and is a "school of thoughtâ that has many âholesâ in it. Now, if Zebo is trying to âpush that offâ on the class, wellâŠ
â⊠I say kudos to her for sticking with it for the durationâŠâ^Good point! â Maybe also this character is here to be the âpermanent buffoonâ in the strip, as âcomic fodderâ (to replace the role some would say that some of the teachers from Pitts used to occupy)âŠ
The âJockâ character may be clueless, but at least he shows enthusiasm in Mr. Zeboâs class, which is way more than Knute ever did in umpteen years of Fogarty lectures.
Zebo is the best character heâs created since college started.^
???? â I donât even know where to start ( or end) with that oneâŠ. so I wonât. â I will say this, though. Itâs too early still to even say thereâs a âbest characterâ, when college has just started for them this past October, still only 41/2 months or so since, from 2014!
I have actually really enjoyed the Zebo / art class story arc much more than any other current story arc. Even though this art arc is seemingly quite controversial (note how this early in the day we are already well over 130 comments), it has been fun, enjoyable, and refreshing. In this arc, the addition of âJockâ, âEmoâ and Zebo all have all been excellent. My second favorite arc currently is the one between Bernice and her dorm friends.
I donât know where this shyster gets his ideas;itâs called SELF expression.Artistâs are individuals, their self apart from anyone else makes them unique, and their work desirable.
Sorry, but I see the difference between smashing a water balloon on a student and telling a student to âremove yourselfâ by demolishing a work as a difference in degree of abusiveness. Both are still abusive acts.-If you have to sit still for having water balloons dropped on you to get a good grade, or have to be told to negate your âselfâ and destroy your work to get a good grade, what you have is a teacher who is taking advantage of a position of authority to harass students.
But if youâre not careful, it could become the same as saying: Oh, âThis relationship is the best one, ever!â and then, 3 weeks later, youâve âbroken up.â Then, a month later, you say: âOh, this is the best one, yet!" and then, that one ends. Then, one week later, you meet someone new, and say: âThis.. isâŠâŠ..â. After a while, it âwaters downâ what it means. â They say âa watched pot never boilsâ. They also say âa watched phone never ringsâ. The point of those maxims is that If we get too caught up in âthe bestâ on a daily (or weekly) basis, without a longer period of getting to know everything involved (in this case, more familiarity and understanding of the character, dynamics/relationships, etc.) there could be the possibility that the sentiment wonât be as âdefinitiveâ or as enjoyable as when the moment arrives (over a period of time) or it could even be missed, entirely.
The issue Iâm raising about the destruction of work has nothing to do with returning the work to the student, and everything to do with the need to maintain records of why grades were given.-More and more frequently, college level tests and quizzes are now online, and responses are stored there. Florida Atlantic University instructs its professors to back up all such student work to store separately (as hard copy or in other electronic files) in case the âBlackboardâ electronic program crashes.-In cases where student hand in hard copy material, though, professors are typically expected to retain it, or a copy of it with their findings, for the duration of the class. The records of student performance are part of what a grade is based on. -In the event of someone challenging a final grade, saying that it doesnât reflect their overall work, these records play an important role. Scholarship students who need to maintain a certain grade point average, or kids who are in danger of being expelled, might all be expected to challenge a grade.-If the professor disputes a student having done work because he forced that student to destroy the work, this is an abuse of authority.
The water balloon was real, so I assume the shredder works, too. Luann will be graded not on the quality of the (unseen) sketches but on her willingness to become unencumbered by her sense of âselfâ. For someone who is as self-centered as Luann admits she is, this will be difficult!
âWhat do you think this board does, everyday?â^In some ways (but not all), it can be that way. But it can also be âapples and orangesâ. In âLuannalyzingâ the strip each day, itâs talking about a âbit of the storyâ (using the term you expressed), comparing it with what we have already known (up to 30 yearsâ worth, so far), and then commenting on the immediacy of the dayâs strip, then seeing what tomorrowâs strip will bring. Of course, time proves (or disproves) whatever was deliberated.â But I was only originally saying it to address the âbest of so farâ thing. Iâd say that perhaps a better one could be: âmy favorite so farâ. One could easily contend: âthatâs not the best one!â but who could say: âNo, thatâs not your favorite character!â?⊠without a straight face, at least?
i suspect she did not include that one. Her asking Bernice to help was rhetorical (I believe); yet everyone seems to dwell on it. Good grief 16 drawings of her own is a lot even still. 16..17, who cares at that point..
I have a feeling the shredder is a âdummyâ. She will drop it in and maybe pass this test, but the notebook wonât be shredded. But he can only do this test with one student. Sheâs passed his other tests.. i.e. the water balloon.
Dear Colorist,*In frame 1, Prof. Zebo appears to be wearing a moss green turtleneck. In frame 2 the cuff appears to be white. Donât the sleeves of turtlenecks usually match the color and front of the shirt?
if Lue showed her portraits and Zebo was able to know clown Lue was not done by her, would be only way i would be impressed by him, otherwise he is a wannabee who sees himself as huge just because one painting by him was shown during the find wedding venue week
was not able to find âmenâsâ under the name of Dickies(only womenâs) so for men they must be called something else, but I got the idea, and was thinking the same, Zebo wearing a âfake turtleneck accessoryâ
at least using it the way he did is not as bad as this(for me anyway) http://www.articlesofstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/12.jpg , Zebo should have used either same color t shirt or shirt or used short sleeves, or decided to go with an actual turtle neck shirt, one thing it is definitive is that the cuff is of a dress shirt(as it has cuff links) and canât be part of a turtleneck shirt, unless you find a turtleneck that has slots for cufflinks
there were no episodes where it was clear that Luann wanted it for her portfolio. Luannâs remark to Bernice "Help me out.. " or whatever was rhetorical. Folks here are so obsessed with this one drawing out of 17âŠ.the worst one albeitâŠ.who cares. I too doubt that Luann planned to turn it in. The cover of portfolio says âLuann by Luannâ.
long sleeve shirt(maybe turtle neck, maybe not) and whatchamacallit around his neck than, today, a long sleeve dress shirt and either a Dickey or a short sleeve turtleneck on top of the dress shirt
Mr. Zebo has multiple outfits, since some of them fasten right-over-left and some fasten the other way. This is in contrast to Mr. Fogarty, who was unaware that most people donât wear the same clothes to work daily until retirement.
Youâre right- itâs not. Last time was the ascot-like tie/âwraparoundâ, yes. â One of the reasons that I was putting forth the âturtleneckâ option was that the collar matches some of the cashmere/fine fabric types that were big at one time in department stores. It also reminds me of the âsweatersâ worn during the first couple of episodes of TOSâŠbut maybe a bit looser in the neck/chest area. Looking at the collar, itâs not a definitive thing, but one of those possibilities could be turtleneck, which is why I offered that one upâŠ
This instructor is what is wrong with the teaching of art. It should be guided, not âtaughtâ. There is way too much pretension here which only stifles. But ego is a powerful thing. It leads the mediocre. He is mediocre.
So VelĂĄzquez, Van Gogh and all the others that painted self portraits werenât artists? I guess thatâs some information Art Museums wouldnât want us to know.
Templo S.U.D. almost 10 years ago
Oh, that seems cruel. The teacher didnât even get to look at them!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Wow! So one could have potentially done nothing , turned it in, and still would have gotten credit!!! â For the students, that time could have been better spent doing something else, if it were going to end up in the âShreddy Max 5000, from Mega Shred Industriesâ, without being evaluatedâŠ. â And Luann even took the time to make a cover for her work, and keep it neat and organized! â Although the symbolism of it could be appreciated, it would seem itâs execution leaves much to be desiredâŠ.
krys723 almost 10 years ago
NOOOO!!! SHE WORKED SO HARD ON THAT!!!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
âShred Of DignityââThe Lessen PlanââA Token Of DepreciationââMethod To Your Madness?ââTime MismanagementââFlaw InspiringââSelf ExpressionââThe Old College Try⊠Down The DrainââClass In Recessionâ" Lost Stranded In Symbolism"orâMaking Nothing, Out Of Something At Allâ
GOGOPOWERANGERS almost 10 years ago
Sadism before pride?
GOGOPOWERANGERS almost 10 years ago
Sadism before pride?
GOGOPOWERANGERS almost 10 years ago
hes not even going to look at the pictures? how can you grade something that doesnât exist?
GOGOPOWERANGERS almost 10 years ago
hes not even going to look at the pictures? how can you grade something that doesnât exist?
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I thought the whole story when she was drawing the self-portraits was that she doesnât know who she âreallyâ is. That would then indicate that by the Professorâs criterion, there wasnât a âselfâ blocking her true art, so the shredder is unnecessary. Of course, as Luann herself has admitted, she is rather self-centered (just ask Bernice!), so maybe the Professor has some insight here.
Prattaratt almost 10 years ago
I think itâs attest of how much passion she has for her work.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Itâs Art Class (-Class)âŠ.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
But heâs very âartfulâ about it. He is a work of art, of his own design and creation. He considers himself to be his own masterpiece.
Angelalex242 almost 10 years ago
âŠartists these days.
ShagsCA almost 10 years ago
Itâs just a comic stripâŠ
Pointspread almost 10 years ago
The instructor thinks this exercise will help them but I donât see a shred of evidence to back that upâŠ
goodgreengirl almost 10 years ago
This class is stupid.
peter almost 10 years ago
What is the purpose of grading?
SF1972 almost 10 years ago
I think I actually kind of get Zeboâs point. Heâs saying, âForget what I think of you and how you think you should present yourself to me.â The next time she has an assignment, she definitely wonât have impressing Zebo in mind. Sheâll just do whatever she wants in any way she wants to because who knows what the result will be?
Think of artists you know or know of. The sucessful ones are the ones who, as the kids say, give zero fâs. Theyâre not trying to impress anybody.
Or, think of it this way: barring mental illness, a good way to stop obsessing on your appearance is to destroy your mirrors. Thatâs what Zebo is having Luann do in this strip.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
or van gogh or Da vinci
Undefined almost 10 years ago
While difficult to work out âcomic timeâ I think it is fair to assume that this is just the start of the course, and so grading is not done at this time. Rather, this is mental preparation for what he wants to impart in the future.
svetlana17 almost 10 years ago
Luann does not look at all happy about this turn of events. I think thatâs the key to the arc going forward.
Caldonia almost 10 years ago
By this definition, Annie Wilkes was a creative writing teacher somehow. Be sure to have more than one draft of your work!
Ida No almost 10 years ago
Luann has been introduced to animation. Back during Disneyâs golden age, the top animators would produce a foot-tall stack of pencil drawings per week. Walt would glance them over, then say âI donât like it. Try again.âYou could measure the worth of your life in foot-tall stacks.
Sheila Hardie almost 10 years ago
Whhhhaaaattt????
cabalonrye almost 10 years ago
Plastic binding in a shredder. RIP shredder.
Simon_Jester almost 10 years ago
Says the guy who makes Narcissus look outgoing
beggar almost 10 years ago
What an idiot. Just leave, Luann. Drop the class, heâs a pretentious jackass.
meillered almost 10 years ago
Please drop this guy and his class!!
lotsalaffs Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Or Iâm dropping the strip. It has become very very lame.
Shani Jean almost 10 years ago
Seriously, she needs to drop this class. What a thing to waste tuition money on.
MermaidStitcher almost 10 years ago
Do I sense this is where she tells hom off and stands up to him.
kaffekup almost 10 years ago
A lot of people might say Norman was more illustrator than artistâŠperhaps including Norman.
Blue Owl almost 10 years ago
If she shreds it, that says something about how she feels about her work. This, too, is a choice, and this, too, is part of learning. The choice in this strip has not yet been madeâŠ
Squoop almost 10 years ago
I would refuse. Itâs her property and he has no right. Plus heâs a hypocrite with his fancy purple jacket.
Sisyphos almost 10 years ago
Donât do it, Luann.Defy this nutcase and define your self in the process, Do not be a submissive wimp!
Purple-Stater Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Self-absorbed is worse than self-conscious.
kbvaughn almost 10 years ago
Luann should tell him to pound sand, heâs obnoxious.
StoicLion1973 almost 10 years ago
My take: this is an exercise. Only those who are self-conscious will shred their self-portraits. And those who are confident will âpassâ.
Uncle Bob almost 10 years ago
I knew a kid in college that had something like this happen to her. The instructor took her painting and said, âthatâs interesting. What if we tear it in half and put the pieces back to back and see what it looks like?â. And he didâŠ
Uncle Bob almost 10 years ago
I knew a kid in college that had something like this happen to her. The instructor took her painting and said, âthatâs interesting. What if we tear it in half and put the pieces back to back and see what it looks like?â. And he didâŠ
bjames.wi almost 10 years ago
Or, the teacher is just a tool. She very well might get a better grade by refusing to submit to an order to âdestroyâ herself. Who knows whatâs in that lunaticâs head?
Mordock999 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Hey Wait a Minute, Lu.
MAYBE Professor âZeBATSâ Meant for YOU to Jump in the Shredder NOT Your âArtâ.
Either Way Iâd get the FLOCK Outta His B-S Class.
âŠ..,After I set His Purple Coat on Fire.LtPowers almost 10 years ago
The worst part of this is that heâs wrong.
A sense of self is critical to creating true art. True art is something only the creator could create.
cubswin2016 almost 10 years ago
That teacher doesnât know one thing about art. He only knows about being a blankety-blank idiot.
2Goldfish almost 10 years ago
This is so incredibly unreal.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Most community colleges/state schools exist to help students gain skills that will enable them to support themselves, or enroll in a more advanced degree program. Since almost all colleges (community or otherwise) have a basic curriculum, itâs believable that a first year student would take an intro to art or intro to literature class as part of that overall curriculum.-Itâs not believable to me that a community college would hire someone who seems to exist just to hand out meaningless assignments and pompous statements. There are many artists who have created self portraits. An âartsâ teacher who believes than any subject (including the âselfâ) obstructs the creation of art is just a waste of time, and so is the class taught by this so-called teacher.
jrankin1959 almost 10 years ago
This guy reminds me of the Boris Lermontov character in the film âThe Red Shoes.â
ACTIVIST1234 almost 10 years ago
Fight, Luann! Fight for yourselfâ fight for your art. Thatâs what he really wants you to do!
Longplay Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Wow at the very least this prof is inventive!
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
Self-portraiture is a longstanding tradition in art, notably to Rembrandt who did many of themâand he is one of the greatest. So this prof clearly is in the tradition of Dada, the early 20th century anti-art tradition. I assume the goth with all-black pictures will get heavy praise.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
No one with any understanding of the artistic sensibility would EVER ask an artist to destroy their own work, unless it was created with the understanding that it would be destroyed. This guy is either crazy or a sadist.
You are right; he is not even a Dadaist, on that account.
locake almost 10 years ago
What a lazy teacher! He will have to give the entire class an A, since he did not even look at her work.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
I donât think so.
locake almost 10 years ago
Shredding her artwork will not remove her âselfâ. Standing up to this pompous jerk would be better.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
Good idea.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
âAgain, itâs all subjective,â
No it is not all subjective. For instance, skill can be evaluated objectively.
The Old Wolf almost 10 years ago
Ouch, dude. thatâs harsh. On the other hand, I know nothing of art. On the gripping hand, art isnât really being taught here â this guy is a pretentious, effete attention-whore.
JimT8 almost 10 years ago
Really bad advice, Really Bad, for C-students only, but it is in keeping with the teacherâs aim of destroying the sense of self.
Nicole â« â±âż ââżââżâ°â« Premium Member almost 10 years ago
All that work in the shredder. Iâm surprised she hasnât dropped that class.
dre7861 almost 10 years ago
Colonel Zebo is a pretentious [fill-in-the-blank].
If what Col. Zebo says is true about self blocking artisitic expression then he is one massively constipated artist because Iâve never seen anyone so full of themselves.
dre7861 almost 10 years ago
Did I mention how MUCH I HATE Col. Zebo!
mindjob almost 10 years ago
I hope she made copies
moridin82 almost 10 years ago
Sheâll probably be among the only ones to get an A because she has the hardest time destroying herself. What does jock care? He Xeroed himself. Sharpie boy is shredding a bunch of black pages, whoopieâŠ
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I think he is trying to get the students motivated to SAVE their art. If Luann drops her work into the shredder, the shredder will not be âonâ. Her work will not be destroyed, but because she did not âstand up forâ her art, she will not have learned Zeboâs point this time.
Dreamdeer almost 10 years ago
I think he called Luann up to the front of the class because he already knows sheâs open to taking risksâand that she would put a real effort into the assignment, so that it would mean more to her to destroy it, which means she would feel the point more deeply, to get her self-preoccupation out of the way. As for âcrueltyâ, whoâd get too attached to 17 works zipped out in such a short period of time? No way could they have been all that good!
kstewskis almost 10 years ago
An exercise in narcissism. Just peachy. What every freshman college student needs.
Brown Leghorn almost 10 years ago
These Liberal professors are full of themselves and just about wrong about everything and it is being displayed here!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
I donât think heâd feel that way about all art teachers. Just the ones who have that similar mindset of the one that he referred to. â Much in the same way Roger Waters (through interviews) has said that he didnât hate education, nor teaching⊠just that certain teachers seemed to âfall intoâ a stereotype as depicted by the schoolteacher in âThe WallââŠ
CrzyDyeman almost 10 years ago
luann, welcome to the world of commercial arts
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Will we get to see whatâs going on in Mr. Rainâs (?) course in âIntroduction to the Digital Worldâ or whatever nonsense it was that Luann enrolled in for her other classes?
maverick1usa almost 10 years ago
Zebo should have shredded the art he had hanging in the Art Gallery!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Mostly, âsuffering for artâ is supposed to mean becoming some âaustereâ character, becoming nothing, not daring to accept any sort of success, rejecting âany and everythingâ of society⊠some also would add that it means one must live in ânear squalorâ, and not accept âfancy livingâ, or even âhappinessâ, etc. That one must be âdourâ, ânever satisfiedâ, ânever able to experience joyousnessââŠ. all for the sake of âpursuing artâ. That one does art to sacrifice âbetter livingâ, to pursue it. This is the supposed âstereotypeâ that comes with that phrase, âsuffering for your artâ. â In a parallel situation, the same was said of âcorporate rockâ, that it was âpretentiousâ, and âevilâ, simply because of the fact that the music acts were successful in sales, or that they were backed by âthe big corporationsâ. Itâs the argument many made in support of âpunkâ, and âroots rockâ. This leads to another aspect of âsuffering for artâ: That any time one becomes rich from the work created, that itâs âsupposedâ to be unacceptable, that itâs becoming a âselloutâ. Therein lies the âCatch 22â. â So âsuffering for artâ is a âslippery slopeâ, and is a "school of thoughtâ that has many âholesâ in it. Now, if Zebo is trying to âpush that offâ on the class, wellâŠ
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
â⊠I say kudos to her for sticking with it for the durationâŠâ^Good point! â Maybe also this character is here to be the âpermanent buffoonâ in the strip, as âcomic fodderâ (to replace the role some would say that some of the teachers from Pitts used to occupy)âŠ
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
The âJockâ character may be clueless, but at least he shows enthusiasm in Mr. Zeboâs class, which is way more than Knute ever did in umpteen years of Fogarty lectures.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Zebo is the best character heâs created since college started.^
???? â I donât even know where to start ( or end) with that oneâŠ. so I wonât. â I will say this, though. Itâs too early still to even say thereâs a âbest characterâ, when college has just started for them this past October, still only 41/2 months or so since, from 2014!Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I have actually really enjoyed the Zebo / art class story arc much more than any other current story arc. Even though this art arc is seemingly quite controversial (note how this early in the day we are already well over 130 comments), it has been fun, enjoyable, and refreshing. In this arc, the addition of âJockâ, âEmoâ and Zebo all have all been excellent. My second favorite arc currently is the one between Bernice and her dorm friends.
lmonteros almost 10 years ago
My bet: She refuses to do it, and the teacher says that was the point of the exerciseâconfidence in your work.
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr almost 10 years ago
I donât know where this shyster gets his ideas;itâs called SELF expression.Artistâs are individuals, their self apart from anyone else makes them unique, and their work desirable.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
Sorry, but I see the difference between smashing a water balloon on a student and telling a student to âremove yourselfâ by demolishing a work as a difference in degree of abusiveness. Both are still abusive acts.-If you have to sit still for having water balloons dropped on you to get a good grade, or have to be told to negate your âselfâ and destroy your work to get a good grade, what you have is a teacher who is taking advantage of a position of authority to harass students.
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
But if youâre not careful, it could become the same as saying: Oh, âThis relationship is the best one, ever!â and then, 3 weeks later, youâve âbroken up.â Then, a month later, you say: âOh, this is the best one, yet!" and then, that one ends. Then, one week later, you meet someone new, and say: âThis.. isâŠâŠ..â. After a while, it âwaters downâ what it means. â They say âa watched pot never boilsâ. They also say âa watched phone never ringsâ. The point of those maxims is that If we get too caught up in âthe bestâ on a daily (or weekly) basis, without a longer period of getting to know everything involved (in this case, more familiarity and understanding of the character, dynamics/relationships, etc.) there could be the possibility that the sentiment wonât be as âdefinitiveâ or as enjoyable as when the moment arrives (over a period of time) or it could even be missed, entirely.
Argy.Bargy2 almost 10 years ago
The issue Iâm raising about the destruction of work has nothing to do with returning the work to the student, and everything to do with the need to maintain records of why grades were given.-More and more frequently, college level tests and quizzes are now online, and responses are stored there. Florida Atlantic University instructs its professors to back up all such student work to store separately (as hard copy or in other electronic files) in case the âBlackboardâ electronic program crashes.-In cases where student hand in hard copy material, though, professors are typically expected to retain it, or a copy of it with their findings, for the duration of the class. The records of student performance are part of what a grade is based on. -In the event of someone challenging a final grade, saying that it doesnât reflect their overall work, these records play an important role. Scholarship students who need to maintain a certain grade point average, or kids who are in danger of being expelled, might all be expected to challenge a grade.-If the professor disputes a student having done work because he forced that student to destroy the work, this is an abuse of authority.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
The water balloon was real, so I assume the shredder works, too. Luann will be graded not on the quality of the (unseen) sketches but on her willingness to become unencumbered by her sense of âselfâ. For someone who is as self-centered as Luann admits she is, this will be difficult!
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
âWhat do you think this board does, everyday?â^In some ways (but not all), it can be that way. But it can also be âapples and orangesâ. In âLuannalyzingâ the strip each day, itâs talking about a âbit of the storyâ (using the term you expressed), comparing it with what we have already known (up to 30 yearsâ worth, so far), and then commenting on the immediacy of the dayâs strip, then seeing what tomorrowâs strip will bring. Of course, time proves (or disproves) whatever was deliberated.â But I was only originally saying it to address the âbest of so farâ thing. Iâd say that perhaps a better one could be: âmy favorite so farâ. One could easily contend: âthatâs not the best one!â but who could say: âNo, thatâs not your favorite character!â?⊠without a straight face, at least?
Jim Kerner almost 10 years ago
I get a kick out of the way the professor dresses.
RSH almost 10 years ago
i suspect she did not include that one. Her asking Bernice to help was rhetorical (I believe); yet everyone seems to dwell on it. Good grief 16 drawings of her own is a lot even still. 16..17, who cares at that point..
RSH almost 10 years ago
I have a feeling the shredder is a âdummyâ. She will drop it in and maybe pass this test, but the notebook wonât be shredded. But he can only do this test with one student. Sheâs passed his other tests.. i.e. the water balloon.
Caldonia almost 10 years ago
But you know that when he said âZebo is the bestâ he was saying âZebo is the best to MEâ so itâs really just splitting hairs!
ACTIVIST1234 almost 10 years ago
Dear Colorist,*In frame 1, Prof. Zebo appears to be wearing a moss green turtleneck. In frame 2 the cuff appears to be white. Donât the sleeves of turtlenecks usually match the color and front of the shirt?
wiselad almost 10 years ago
if Lue showed her portraits and Zebo was able to know clown Lue was not done by her, would be only way i would be impressed by him, otherwise he is a wannabee who sees himself as huge just because one painting by him was shown during the find wedding venue week
wiselad almost 10 years ago
was not able to find âmenâsâ under the name of Dickies(only womenâs) so for men they must be called something else, but I got the idea, and was thinking the same, Zebo wearing a âfake turtleneck accessoryâ
wiselad almost 10 years ago
at least using it the way he did is not as bad as this(for me anyway) http://www.articlesofstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/12.jpg , Zebo should have used either same color t shirt or shirt or used short sleeves, or decided to go with an actual turtle neck shirt, one thing it is definitive is that the cuff is of a dress shirt(as it has cuff links) and canât be part of a turtleneck shirt, unless you find a turtleneck that has slots for cufflinks
dbdoucette almost 10 years ago
Or maybe the jerk is just a bad teacher.
baihe8 almost 10 years ago
maybe itâs a test and the shredder has no blades in it
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
My vote would be for it being a turtleneckâŠ.
RSH almost 10 years ago
there were no episodes where it was clear that Luann wanted it for her portfolio. Luannâs remark to Bernice "Help me out.. " or whatever was rhetorical. Folks here are so obsessed with this one drawing out of 17âŠ.the worst one albeitâŠ.who cares. I too doubt that Luann planned to turn it in. The cover of portfolio says âLuann by Luannâ.
wiselad almost 10 years ago
long sleeve shirt(maybe turtle neck, maybe not) and whatchamacallit around his neck than, today, a long sleeve dress shirt and either a Dickey or a short sleeve turtleneck on top of the dress shirt
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Mr. Zebo has multiple outfits, since some of them fasten right-over-left and some fasten the other way. This is in contrast to Mr. Fogarty, who was unaware that most people donât wear the same clothes to work daily until retirement.
Aladar30 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
LUANN, DONâT DO IT!!!
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I saw no masterpieces among the sketches we looked at. The assignment was to create, not to preserve.
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Excuse me but it seemed yesterday that she was the only one who actually did the assignment â so she get to shred it?!?
JayBluE almost 10 years ago
Youâre right- itâs not. Last time was the ascot-like tie/âwraparoundâ, yes. â One of the reasons that I was putting forth the âturtleneckâ option was that the collar matches some of the cashmere/fine fabric types that were big at one time in department stores. It also reminds me of the âsweatersâ worn during the first couple of episodes of TOSâŠbut maybe a bit looser in the neck/chest area. Looking at the collar, itâs not a definitive thing, but one of those possibilities could be turtleneck, which is why I offered that one upâŠ
Argythree almost 10 years ago
How fortunate I am that I never had teachers like you and Zero, who confuse the misuse of authority with imparting information.
wondra almost 10 years ago
This instructor is what is wrong with the teaching of art. It should be guided, not âtaughtâ. There is way too much pretension here which only stifles. But ego is a powerful thing. It leads the mediocre. He is mediocre.
Argythree almost 10 years ago
SPOILER ALERT!!!-Luann must have read my Spoiler Alert from yesterday. When âProfessorâ Zed asks how she feels, she says âtornââŠ
bagbalm almost 10 years ago
It isnât art until you put it in a glass and charge $100K for it.
Naldrin about 1 year ago
So VelĂĄzquez, Van Gogh and all the others that painted self portraits werenât artists? I guess thatâs some information Art Museums wouldnât want us to know.