Ok; so when are the stonings going to start in your rigid interpretation? One derived from a faulty double translation… The whole anti-lgbt stance is based on a passage that should have said “shall not lay with boy as wife” and the whole anti-abortion stance is pretty tenuous.
History shows that religious organizations, their leaders and their members are no more ethical than corporations, their executives and their investors.
Maybe Ramirez wants a better ROI from the church – Return on Inquisitions.
Ramirez appears to be one of those people who will tearfully demand the Ten Commandments, God’s laws given to Moses, be posted in public buildings, but completely ignore the Beatitudes, God’s instruction and promise from the very lips of Christ.
Actually is doesn’t, rather the code and the early parts of the Torah are influenced by the early Sumerian writings that collectively became to be known as the Epic of Gilgamesh. One of the things that happened with the Babylonian exile (586 BC) was the Jewish people had to bring their Holy objects and library with them. The holy objects were placed in Temples beside those of other peoples who were part of the Empire, and their library was placed in the Imperial library were they were available for study. It was from this period scholars of Jewish people also studying in this library started to write the Torah. As you know the Old Testament is based on the Torah. The New Testament was largely complete by 120AD.
As for the oldest, that is Hinduism. The Vedas were written down somewhere around 6,000 BC. Vedic religious practices go back 1000’s of years before that.
I’ve come to believe that ANY religious or moral proposition whatsoever can be “proved” through a cherry-picked interpretation found in a cherry-picked selection of religious text. The multiple versions of the Bible, extending through 2000+ years, translated imperfectly back and forth between multiple languages each of which are subject to language drift from the “original” meaning lends itself easily to multiple interpretations of any particular verse or word written. “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” is a more recent example of the problem of finding what was truly meant when the words were expressed. There will always be many ways to interpret it. I’m amused that we still after all this time continue to count the number of angels that dance on the heads of pins in hopes of proving a point. Steady employment for clergy for millennia.
Now the sacrileges overpriced Trump USA bible being hawked on holy week with the American flag on the front, crazily prejudiced right wingers will trust that one.
It is apparent those texting here are a product of public schools and have no knowledge of how the ancient central Asia was tied together. The Torah was influenced by writings in the Babylonian imperial library during the exile. But the ancient Hebrews religious practices by the Ancient Egyptians.
Is it a liberal interpretation, or an adjustment to reality? The Middle Ages have been over for half a millennium. In 1524, both Luther and Zwingli had already revolted.
What Pope Francis doesn’t take as “Gospel” are many of the opinions of his predecessors on topics that aren’t even mentioned in the Christian Bible, no matter whether Catholic or Protestant versions.
baroden Premium Member 3 months ago
That’s why I like this Pope.
brit-ed 3 months ago
Ok; so when are the stonings going to start in your rigid interpretation? One derived from a faulty double translation… The whole anti-lgbt stance is based on a passage that should have said “shall not lay with boy as wife” and the whole anti-abortion stance is pretty tenuous.
superposition 3 months ago
And what about the much larger concern that his interpretation is not liberal enough … certainly not as liberal as Jesus’ interpretation is?
robcarroll1213 3 months ago
“Seriously, people still don’t understand my message.” – Jesus
Odon Premium Member 3 months ago
Truly a book at odds with itself.
Valiant1943 Premium Member 3 months ago
You do realize that there were more than four?
Cerabooge 3 months ago
Why use such a Johnny-come-lately as the Bible? Shouldn’t we adhere to tradition and follow the Code of Hammurabi?
GOGOPOWERANGERS 3 months ago
Bible has people getting rape and murdered
Not the pedestal of morality we hoped
sinusjoe 3 months ago
History shows that religious organizations, their leaders and their members are no more ethical than corporations, their executives and their investors.
Maybe Ramirez wants a better ROI from the church – Return on Inquisitions.
The Nodding Head 3 months ago
There’s always the Dhammapada
I was FRAMED!!!!!! 3 months ago
Well, the Bible, ANY Bible is ‘fiction.’
truthsocialol 3 months ago
So, should I get my $59.99 back?
NeoconMan 3 months ago
I much prefer Donald Trump’s conservative interpretation.
Now, that’s gospel.
Jack7528 3 months ago
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John sure are.
Geezer 3 months ago
“Is the pope catholic?” used to be a rhetorical question.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member 3 months ago
I guess he needs to buy a copy of the Trump Bible.
A# 466 3 months ago
Well, Papa Francesco’s interpretation is a lot closer to a literal reading the Gospels than the Bible Bashers’ perversions of those Gospels.
davidthoms1 3 months ago
Ramirez appears to be one of those people who will tearfully demand the Ten Commandments, God’s laws given to Moses, be posted in public buildings, but completely ignore the Beatitudes, God’s instruction and promise from the very lips of Christ.
Wonder-Wart-Hog 3 months ago
Actually is doesn’t, rather the code and the early parts of the Torah are influenced by the early Sumerian writings that collectively became to be known as the Epic of Gilgamesh. One of the things that happened with the Babylonian exile (586 BC) was the Jewish people had to bring their Holy objects and library with them. The holy objects were placed in Temples beside those of other peoples who were part of the Empire, and their library was placed in the Imperial library were they were available for study. It was from this period scholars of Jewish people also studying in this library started to write the Torah. As you know the Old Testament is based on the Torah. The New Testament was largely complete by 120AD.
As for the oldest, that is Hinduism. The Vedas were written down somewhere around 6,000 BC. Vedic religious practices go back 1000’s of years before that.
cfkelley 3 months ago
Religious types … conservative and liberal … are never-ending sources of amusement.
magicwalnut Premium Member 3 months ago
This cartoon is probably the first sensible thing I’ve seen today.
DeaconJohnGiglioJr 3 months ago
“Repent and believe in the Gospel!” (Ash Wednesday blessing.)
old1953 3 months ago
Well, golly gee whillikers, perhaps one of these fine folks can tell just what the current Pope has said or done that is against the Gospels?
MG 3 months ago
I’ve come to believe that ANY religious or moral proposition whatsoever can be “proved” through a cherry-picked interpretation found in a cherry-picked selection of religious text. The multiple versions of the Bible, extending through 2000+ years, translated imperfectly back and forth between multiple languages each of which are subject to language drift from the “original” meaning lends itself easily to multiple interpretations of any particular verse or word written. “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” is a more recent example of the problem of finding what was truly meant when the words were expressed. There will always be many ways to interpret it. I’m amused that we still after all this time continue to count the number of angels that dance on the heads of pins in hopes of proving a point. Steady employment for clergy for millennia.
Ignatz Premium Member 3 months ago
Like welcoming the stranger?
Loving your neighbor?
calliarcale 3 months ago
Heck, they’d have concern over Jesus’ liberal interpretation of Scripture, I suspect.
Radish the wordsmith 3 months ago
Now the sacrileges overpriced Trump USA bible being hawked on holy week with the American flag on the front, crazily prejudiced right wingers will trust that one.
Walter Kocker Premium Member 3 months ago
Who knew the hucksterisms of RONCO would be replaced by DONCO -
“Isn’t that amazing?”
“How much would you expect to pay for this Bible?”
“$500?”
“$400?”
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“BUY NOW – QUANTITIES ARE LIMITED – THE FIRST 1000 ORDERS WILL RECEIVE A VIAL OF HOLY WATER PASSED BY JESUS HIMSELF!”
“OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY!”
“DIAL 1 800 IMA PUTZ, TODAY!”
and now back to Roller Derby . . .
Concretionist 3 months ago
Who better to interpret the Bible than the man whose JOB is to interpret the Bible (and indeed the whole religion) for the masses?
Wonder-Wart-Hog 3 months ago
It is apparent those texting here are a product of public schools and have no knowledge of how the ancient central Asia was tied together. The Torah was influenced by writings in the Babylonian imperial library during the exile. But the ancient Hebrews religious practices by the Ancient Egyptians.
Free Radical 3 months ago
You deny infallibility we see. Where is your unwavering loyalty? Oh, we all know where the misplaced loyalty is now….
shannon1352 3 months ago
I wonder which version-translation he uses?
billsplut 3 months ago
You don’t like him telling Ukraine to surrender to Putin?! That can’t be right, you’re a Republican!
VegaAlopex 3 months ago
Is it a liberal interpretation, or an adjustment to reality? The Middle Ages have been over for half a millennium. In 1524, both Luther and Zwingli had already revolted.
Rich Douglas 3 months ago
Ought to be more concerned about Trump desecrating it.
gammaguy 3 months ago
What Pope Francis doesn’t take as “Gospel” are many of the opinions of his predecessors on topics that aren’t even mentioned in the Christian Bible, no matter whether Catholic or Protestant versions.