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Luann by Greg Evans and Karen Evans for May 23, 2012
May 22, 2012
May 24, 2012
Transcript:
TJ: "Ox is gonna show your "witness statement" to his uncle... the lawyer. Nice"
TJ: "Isn't it illegal to fake witnesses?"
Ann: "Ox?"
TJ: "Wonder how you'll look in an orange prison outfit"
Ann: "OX!"
Ox: "Hey! Now you're bullying!"
I think weâre near the end of AEâs role in this comic. She has âhated and schemedâ her way out the door. I donât see a way to save her, even with TJâs help. Heâs good, but not a miracle worker. She seems to have NO redeeming qualities.
I love how thereâs a scuffle going on right in front of TJ, but heâs just leaning against the counter grinning and making comments. THIS is the TJ I know, not the guy who went crazy and busted up the black wall back when Shannon was snoozing in the laundry room.
Well, the paper IS AnnâsâŠbut she DID give it to Ox in an attempt to get him to sign itâŠshe took it back when she realized Ox wasnât signing itâŠ.then Ox told her heâd have his uncle look it over and GRABBED it from herâŠsoâŠboth grabbed the paper but the legal owner of the paper is actually AnnâŠso in Luanniverse, nobody cares about thatâŠeveryone wants Ox to show it to his uncleâŠ..but in the real world, it would be consider a theft of a sort on part of Ox for grabbing the paper from Ann. BUT TJ would swear that Ann gave the paper to Ox who never gave it back because Ann did not ask for it back â that she lied about Ox giving it back then had it grabbed out of her hands.
Boy, Ann really doesnât get it, does she? Honestly, how has she ever been able to get a job managing anything, when she clearly has the worst people skills ever?
Oxford is too much of a gentleman to squash Annie Awful as she so richly deserves, but he might well deliver her to The Law, even if he has to pick her up and put her over his shoulder!
it is strange how they mentioned a lawyer for both ann and ox. could it be something tj set up so ae gets all fired up and tj adds fuel to the fire in a discreet manner.
All I can say is Hurray for ox!!!!!! So glad he isnât someone that Ann Eiffel can walk over. Everybody deserves somen who will keep them honest.!!!!!!!
If the Daltons didnât break out of jail every other book, Lucky Luke would be out of a job. Yet somehow, each adventure is just as fun. I think, however, that Annâs towering arrogance and inhumanity would get old after this⊠I see her ultimate demise in the near future. And since this is a cartoon universe, I can hope that her end is mind-numbingly humiliating, to make up for all the horrors she has inflicted on her many subordinates.
This is the end of Ann. Though, I bet she may find her way out of this somehow. With Ox holding the paper, TJ as a witness, plus, any customers there,I am sure the police are on the way now. Also, Ox can file assult charges on Ann now for grabbing his shirt. I do believe TJâs work there for revenge is done. The Eiffel tower is falling!!!!!!!!
Sure it is â a criminal conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future; no requirement to put it into effect is needed, and repentence doesnât negate the criminal liability youâve incurred. The fact that youâve produced what you know to be a false statement with the intent to coerce or bribe someone into signing, is subornation of perjury. If itâs done with the intent to collect damages, thatâs conspiracy to file a false claim. .A perfect example is the woman who put her co-workerâs severed finger in the Wendyâs chili â she did it with the clear intent to file a false claim. She hired a lawyer to sue Wendyâs, but when reports of her history of filing false claims against corporations came to light, she thought twice and dropped the suit. However, that didnât save her from criminal charges â she eventually pled guilty to conspiracy to file a false claim and attempted grand theft. .Aside from that, the problem with prosecuting perjury in a civil case is proving intent. Faulty recollection when it comes to Shannon âviciously attackingâ her would cover Annâs butt, but since she knows for a fact Ox wasnât there, and he can testify to that, as well as her attempts to coerce him, this is actually becoming something that could be prosecuted in a criminal court. Her attorney would run a mile from this one, since a charge of subornation could easily attach to him.
Notice how with each comment AEs voice gets louder. I really hope that TJ gives her the cou de gras (excuse spelling I flunked french) and calls the Police. Maybe its time for Dirk to enter the strip again.
Knute looks like he needs Hair Club for Men! HmmmâŠI tend not to call âcheatingâ outside of tests â this is actually plagiarism. And badly done plagiarism, at that. The second one? Totes busted.
Now OX has a witness to being bullied. OX dont do anything, Like past posts says police are on the way and you got a wittness to who put their hands on who. As said in a past post it is ILLEAGLE (sp?) to put your hands on an under aged teen even though they are 3 times your size and 3 times stronger than you.
Has anyone concidered the possibility of security cameras recording all of this as it is happening? Between that and filing a false claim on punitive damages ( a bite on the finger), false witnesses, and bribery, she could go to jail for a long time. I am not a lawyer, but I am aware of something like this happening once.
Ann doesnât stand a chance in court. Assult on Ox, and Sannon (a minor) who was defending what was hers. Once you give a child something, you should not take it back. Right or wrong, Ann should have just left a 50cent piece pf paper go. If it was worth more than 5 dollars, I could understand. In the real world, any manager would do what it takes to bring in as much buisness as they can, no matter what the sacrifice.
But neither Ox nor T.J. wrote a testimony on the paper or signed it. The paper is totally irrelevant. I donât know where Mr. Evans lives, but in my state police investigators handle assault cases, they donât leave it for victims to collect evidence and witnessesâŠ. This story is way out in left field already, and is just showing the ugly side of all the charactersâŠ
Your point is well-taken, but I have no doubt that Greg will conjure someone up just as despicable if Ann is written out for good. He could do months of filler strips with all of his other characters, and even show a bit of ⊠whatâs her name⊠you know, the one the strip is named for?
Ann going to get it when the bosses from Wienie World stop by and notice her true intentions. Just let Oxford give that Witness Statement to his uncle, and then the dogs from H-E-Double Hockeysticks will be unleashed.
@ poochiwoochie@ Lavatube@ Day of the Dead@ Joecrow@ Tinyman
Sine theyâre carrying on in the middle of the restaurant floor (incident started when AE interrupted Ox eating), presumably other patrons are witness to the unseemly visuals of the store manager badgering a customer.
Yeah, and just how many of them are gong to do anything, object, or call the cops? None. You all overestimate the eagerness of the American public to get involved in anything that looks nasty, time consuming and might require them to have to bear witness to anything and sit around for the rest of the day being questioned.
Not until Ox commits battery on Ann will anyone call 911, and even then probably not.
Films are offered to members of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences âfor your considerationâ â much as you obvously think the law has that caveat, it doesnât.Theoreticallyâ, nothing.
I certainly was not offering a defense for Ann, rather a defense of Ox for retaining the paper. Anyone offered a document to sign clearly has the right to read it first and make a decision. That is what I intended by using the word âconsideration.â (which of course has other, irrelevant meanings.) I should have omitted the reference to the law there. My âtheoretically,â was misleading and redundant: I just meant that this was one of the narrative possibilities.
So Shannon bites her, Toni laughs that Shannon bites her, TJ refuses to sign a witness statement regarding the assault, and Ox steals her paperwork and plays keep-away while TJ laughs at her from the sidelines. And Ann is the only one in this whole awful arc who is a bad person? yeeeeeeeah, okay.
Ann Eiffel isnât going to be jettisoned from this strip any more than J.R. Ewing would be eliminated from âDallasâ (Larry Hagmanâs even been brought out of his cryogenic chamber to do a TNT version of âDallasâ this year) for the same reason: Villains are compelling characters to audiences, who live to either see them get served a heaping bowl of justice OR to see how theyâll get out of what theyâve done.
Look at all the comments that get posted on these boards whenever Ann Eiffel is in the mix: Thatâs not an accident. Characters like her are comic gold.
Canât wait to see Ann get what she deserves. An old boss of mine was almost as bad. I quit after six months! Found out years later that his wife left him and he wasnât a boss any more! Paybackâs a bitch!
Yes it is illegal in American federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 1622 provides: âWhoever procures another to commit any perjury is guilty of subornation of perjury, and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.â The court isnât going to be impressed when Ann says that I tried to get him to commit purgry but itâs ok because I hadnât filed with the court.
I hear that Timmy Turner and his fairies are real also. Yay!.Boy, with the roof of his parentâs house always being ripped off by some sort of fiendish villain or the like, I hope his (apparently very rich) parents didnât invest TOO much in the Facebook IPO debacleâŠ
âYes I did try to convince a minor to lie to this court, but he didnât actually sign it and I wasnât sure if I would use the false evidence âŠ.â yeah donât see a Judge having any sympathy. Weighing your options means âDo I have enough ligitimate evidence to sue?â or âDo I really want to sue a 5 year old for biting me?â not âhmm Maybe I can create a criminal conspircy to bribe witnesses to commit purgery, fake evidence all while contributing to the delinquency of a minorâ maybe having the thought wonât get you put in jail but the act certainly will.
?Well, either I got bleeped or I forgot to hit submit. Guess Iâll never know. I was just wondering if since Ann grabbed a fistful of Oxâs shirt, might it be okay for him to grab a handful of her shirt?
See my earlier answer. In the real world, her attorney would have first deposed Ox and drawn up a witness statement for him to sign. Ann seems to be acting pro se here, even though she has counsel, but then itâs the Luanniverse and why wreck a great attempt to intimidate? . Anyhoo, if she coerced him to sign and knew that he didnât witness the event, that would be subornation of perjury on her part. If it can be proved her attorney knew the statement was false, the charge would also attach to him. You can also add conspiracy to file a false claim since the false statement would be integral to the damage suit. Again, proving this guilty knowledge is the trick..But since Ox has stated he didnât see it, and we know that she is aware he wasnât there, her actions re coercion and bribery are an indication of guilty conduct, or actus reus. She can claim sheâs just âconsidering her optionsâ til the cows come home, but criminal liability has already attached to her actions, and repentence or a delay in bringing suit doesnât negate that. Getting someone to prosecute is another matter..A conspiracy is whatâs known as an inchoate offense or inchoate crime â which means a crime of preparing for, or seeking to, commit another crime. Itâs conduct thatâs considered criminal without any actual harm being done â and the harm that would have occurred has to be one that the law tries to prevent. That would include larceny, murder, fraud, false claims, etc.
Bingo â proof that Ox signed the statement willfully, knowing that it was false; and proof that Ann knew that his statement was false, are necessary bring to a charge of subornation of perjury. Again, youâd also have to prove that the perjury was material â in other words, that it had an actual impact on the outcome of a suit or out of court settlement. .Conspiracy, however, doesnât depend on that. Ox could sign, and then turn around and testify against Ann in a conspiracy charge. How much heâd be believed, after being part of a conspiracy to commit perjury and filing a false claim, would be the $28,000 question. .In my real world fantasy, a prosecutor would give Ann the option to plead out and do the WW dishes â by hand â for the rest of the year.
@mojitobabyI donât understand why people who think Ann was in the right (before trying to get Ox to sign falsly, at least) are called Trolls. I really like this strip, and always read it. But when the child bit someone and was praised for it, I thought it was going to be a lesson in how you shouldnât teach a kid to do that. I figured that later Shannon would bite someone else, and when Toni yelled at her, sheâd say, âBut you liked it when I bit the mean lady,â and then Toni would learn how to be a better aunt. If Toni had apologized to Ann and offered to pay her medical bill if needed, then, yeah, Ann would be a bad person to sue over it. But the kid did bite her, and the babysitter totally didnât care. If she really might have had a bit of nerve damage, sheâd be totally right to sue them for it. I know this isnât the real world, but I just donât feel at all sorry for Toni in this situation, and TJ should sign the witness statement because itâs TRUE. Then if it ever went to court he could testify about how Ann provoked, and plus theyâd probably prove she only needed a little bit of medical care not $28,000.
I have a puppy, and if a stranger tried to grab his chew toy and he bit them, Iâd be really sorry and Iâd give my dog a serious scolding and time-out. I wouldnât want him to think biting people is okay.
I donât know why that would be considered an opinion of a âTroll.â This is what I really think about this strip.
Shannon did bite AE so if AE sues, while it is a frivolous claim, it is not fraudulent. She is now unlikely to proceed because she cannot get any witnesses to testify. I do not think that either Ox or TJ will sue or report her to the police, for then they would come down to her level, and they are not that petty. This will be resolved without involving police by Oxâs father, or a business acquaintance who will be the owner of WW, and who will take exception to the way AE is treating her customers.
Thatâs pretty much it. A trust is a setup where someone creates a sustained benefit for someone else, and usually involves a trustee, or trustees, overseeing it. Itâs a way to provide financial security or resources over a period of time. The assets can come from property, stocks, bonds, etc. and can have restrictions on when theyâre disbursed to the recipient of the trust. Donât even go into all the tax implications..A bank account means the funds are in your name, you have total discretion. And that means youâll also have discretion to eat beans for the rest of your life if you blow the money on sheetrock repairs and having your teeth veneered. .What we donât know is whether the account is offshore, or not.
Every once in awhile, I see that somebody is bored with this strip. Must be ADD because most people seem enthusiastic with the possibilities and outcomes. BTW is comeuppance the same as an uppercut? I donât see Ox doing that to Ann. But he may pick her up and carry her to his uncle. I donât think thatâs kidnapping, but it may be Habeas Corpus (âmay you have the bodyâ).
I have to laugh about how many versions people who witnessed this would come up with! Depending on whether they heard the dialogue, their take on who did what to whom,etc., it would astound you just how far apart âeyewitnessâ accounts can be. .I still remember a â91 accident at LAX where a USAIR 737 landed on top of a Skywest Metroliner on the commuter runway, and the impact and resulting fire killed 34 passengers. .Several âeyewitnessesâ on the TV that night gave highly detailed descriptions of how the USAIR jet was on fire coming in for a landing â even before it landed on top of the Texas Sewerpipe. That was the moment when I realized that people are not only highly suggestible, but also have trouble processing what they see. Scary.
Once again, this late at night, too many comments to read, so if I am repeating what someone else said, so be it. But PLEASE TELL ME, THIS BEYOTCH IS FINALLY GOINâ DOWN! :-D
Sheâs definitely getting desperate! Ann tends to lash out when she doesnât get her own way, but due to Oxâs size the only one sheâs hurting here is herself.
Sheâs already guilty of battery (assault is threat, battery is actual contact), and since she gave Ox the paper, she cannot claim that he took it without her permission. T.C. is a witness to that.
REGARDING:ItsAFreakingComicStripâYou people are all losers. Try to get involved in real life..This comic strip is a reflection of real life and concerns expressed here are real concerns such as justice, law, danger, hatred, blindness, revenge..The comments are a means of sharing with each other and that is also a big part of life, unlike attacking any with whom one disagrees. Well, okay, thatâs part of life but an unpleasant part.
dotweasl almost 13 years ago
Sheâs got a real problem with touching people.
flowerladytoo almost 13 years ago
This is SWEET! LOL And I love how TJ is egging it on. AE is finally getting hersâŠ.
Comicman424 almost 13 years ago
Just like Cruella DeVille; revealing her true colors once she does not get her way.
dotweasl almost 13 years ago
Love it!
She needs someone to do a dirty deed, done dirt cheap, and soon!!
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Love the (orange) color commentary by TJ!
Angelalex242 almost 13 years ago
I hope we see Ann duckwalked out of there by the end of May at the latest
rusty gate almost 13 years ago
I think weâre near the end of AEâs role in this comic. She has âhated and schemedâ her way out the door. I donât see a way to save her, even with TJâs help. Heâs good, but not a miracle worker. She seems to have NO redeeming qualities.
poochiewoochie almost 13 years ago
Wonder if the police will be called?
leenamielke almost 13 years ago
Ann will be fired and TJ will be made manager.
Dabit almost 13 years ago
She will some how escape this situation. Something/someone is about to step in.
lavatube almost 13 years ago
Aaand in walks a police officer who sees her assaulting a teenagerâŠ
chireef almost 13 years ago
how about when the coyote caught the roadrunner? that was a classic
SideshowStarlet almost 13 years ago
I love how thereâs a scuffle going on right in front of TJ, but heâs just leaning against the counter grinning and making comments. THIS is the TJ I know, not the guy who went crazy and busted up the black wall back when Shannon was snoozing in the laundry room.
Airman almost 13 years ago
TJ gets on my nerves, and Ann has a nice body. Thatâs about all Iâm getting from this storyline.
ZacBSM almost 13 years ago
Well, the paper IS AnnâsâŠbut she DID give it to Ox in an attempt to get him to sign itâŠshe took it back when she realized Ox wasnât signing itâŠ.then Ox told her heâd have his uncle look it over and GRABBED it from herâŠsoâŠboth grabbed the paper but the legal owner of the paper is actually AnnâŠso in Luanniverse, nobody cares about thatâŠeveryone wants Ox to show it to his uncleâŠ..but in the real world, it would be consider a theft of a sort on part of Ox for grabbing the paper from Ann. BUT TJ would swear that Ann gave the paper to Ox who never gave it back because Ann did not ask for it back â that she lied about Ox giving it back then had it grabbed out of her hands.
legaleagle48 almost 13 years ago
Boy, Ann really doesnât get it, does she? Honestly, how has she ever been able to get a job managing anything, when she clearly has the worst people skills ever?
Sisyphos almost 13 years ago
Oxford is too much of a gentleman to squash Annie Awful as she so richly deserves, but he might well deliver her to The Law, even if he has to pick her up and put her over his shoulder!
assemblor almost 13 years ago
it is strange how they mentioned a lawyer for both ann and ox. could it be something tj set up so ae gets all fired up and tj adds fuel to the fire in a discreet manner.
artybee almost 13 years ago
Does anybody in this strip have redeeming qualities?
littlesky almost 13 years ago
All I can say is Hurray for ox!!!!!! So glad he isnât someone that Ann Eiffel can walk over. Everybody deserves somen who will keep them honest.!!!!!!!
The Old Wolf almost 13 years ago
If the Daltons didnât break out of jail every other book, Lucky Luke would be out of a job. Yet somehow, each adventure is just as fun. I think, however, that Annâs towering arrogance and inhumanity would get old after this⊠I see her ultimate demise in the near future. And since this is a cartoon universe, I can hope that her end is mind-numbingly humiliating, to make up for all the horrors she has inflicted on her many subordinates.
Absalom57 almost 13 years ago
Now OX SMASH!
sarge112751 almost 13 years ago
Unlawful means ?? - SHE all but THRUST the paper at him !
If I have to sign something, I generally DO have it in or UNDER my hand. â And THAT was when she told Ox to âjust sign it!â .
Vilyehm almost 13 years ago
Trial still on. Not Shannon. Ox.Broken Wrist.
Mordock999 almost 13 years ago
âHow would Ann LOOK in an Orange Jumpsuitâ, Smiley?HOT!
And SPEAKING of Orange Jumpsuits, have You HEARD from Your Dad Lately, Sparky?
tigre1 almost 13 years ago
Whee. JusticeâŠ
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
This is the end of Ann. Though, I bet she may find her way out of this somehow. With Ox holding the paper, TJ as a witness, plus, any customers there,I am sure the police are on the way now. Also, Ox can file assult charges on Ann now for grabbing his shirt. I do believe TJâs work there for revenge is done. The Eiffel tower is falling!!!!!!!!
ekw555 almost 13 years ago
@dotweaselhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COw9EbrtxTo&lr=1&feature=results_video
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Sure it is â a criminal conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future; no requirement to put it into effect is needed, and repentence doesnât negate the criminal liability youâve incurred. The fact that youâve produced what you know to be a false statement with the intent to coerce or bribe someone into signing, is subornation of perjury. If itâs done with the intent to collect damages, thatâs conspiracy to file a false claim. .A perfect example is the woman who put her co-workerâs severed finger in the Wendyâs chili â she did it with the clear intent to file a false claim. She hired a lawyer to sue Wendyâs, but when reports of her history of filing false claims against corporations came to light, she thought twice and dropped the suit. However, that didnât save her from criminal charges â she eventually pled guilty to conspiracy to file a false claim and attempted grand theft. .Aside from that, the problem with prosecuting perjury in a civil case is proving intent. Faulty recollection when it comes to Shannon âviciously attackingâ her would cover Annâs butt, but since she knows for a fact Ox wasnât there, and he can testify to that, as well as her attempts to coerce him, this is actually becoming something that could be prosecuted in a criminal court. Her attorney would run a mile from this one, since a charge of subornation could easily attach to him.
SwimsWithSharks almost 13 years ago
Ox does seem to have a knack for finding trouble. Itâd be a shame if the wrong person ends up in handcuffs.
DayoftheDead almost 13 years ago
Notice how with each comment AEs voice gets louder. I really hope that TJ gives her the cou de gras (excuse spelling I flunked french) and calls the Police. Maybe its time for Dirk to enter the strip again.
Mordy Levine almost 13 years ago
TJ shouldâve been filming this on his cell phone.
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Knute looks like he needs Hair Club for Men! HmmmâŠI tend not to call âcheatingâ outside of tests â this is actually plagiarism. And badly done plagiarism, at that. The second one? Totes busted.
Tinyman almost 13 years ago
Now OX has a witness to being bullied. OX dont do anything, Like past posts says police are on the way and you got a wittness to who put their hands on who. As said in a past post it is ILLEAGLE (sp?) to put your hands on an under aged teen even though they are 3 times your size and 3 times stronger than you.
Tinyman almost 13 years ago
HAVE A NICE DAY EVERYONE> ENJOY>
Train 1911 almost 13 years ago
over 100 comment daily some lol other far out keep comment coming show this is a great carton as is andy cap
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
Has anyone concidered the possibility of security cameras recording all of this as it is happening? Between that and filing a false claim on punitive damages ( a bite on the finger), false witnesses, and bribery, she could go to jail for a long time. I am not a lawyer, but I am aware of something like this happening once.
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
Ann doesnât stand a chance in court. Assult on Ox, and Sannon (a minor) who was defending what was hers. Once you give a child something, you should not take it back. Right or wrong, Ann should have just left a 50cent piece pf paper go. If it was worth more than 5 dollars, I could understand. In the real world, any manager would do what it takes to bring in as much buisness as they can, no matter what the sacrifice.
reedkomicks Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Howâs Mrs. Murphy?
Jaadee_1 almost 13 years ago
Is TJ rich? Where does he get all his $? Said he oesnât need this job, or any job
DockoftheBay almost 13 years ago
me thinks that the witch will get her comeuppance.
chicken 33 almost 13 years ago
????
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
I had made a comment on that earlier. I was wondering the same thing.
chipperson almost 13 years ago
how great would it be if Ox just planted his meaty fist in her face.
clarke3060 Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Iâll volunteer to frisk the little thug.
justme725 almost 13 years ago
Greg, can we please move on this is getting so BORING!!!!Where is Luann?
Gerry Lee almost 13 years ago
But neither Ox nor T.J. wrote a testimony on the paper or signed it. The paper is totally irrelevant. I donât know where Mr. Evans lives, but in my state police investigators handle assault cases, they donât leave it for victims to collect evidence and witnessesâŠ. This story is way out in left field already, and is just showing the ugly side of all the charactersâŠ
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
I wonder what would it be like if they brought back Dirk to torment Brad and Toni, to replace Ann.
serenasakitty almost 13 years ago
She really doesnât look as pretty anymore, does she?
luannfan almost 13 years ago
TJ or someone else should be videotaping this interaction.
MeGoNow Premium Member almost 13 years ago
If HE bites her finger, sheâs gonna need help to count to ten.
Sportymonk almost 13 years ago
Got to love Ox, heart of gold. Can depend upon him to do what is right.
The Old Wolf almost 13 years ago
Your point is well-taken, but I have no doubt that Greg will conjure someone up just as despicable if Ann is written out for good. He could do months of filler strips with all of his other characters, and even show a bit of ⊠whatâs her name⊠you know, the one the strip is named for?
violinrules almost 13 years ago
Something tells me that this is a fight that Ann wonât winâ fist fight AND word fightâŠ.
Callie Ray almost 13 years ago
Ann going to get it when the bosses from Wienie World stop by and notice her true intentions. Just let Oxford give that Witness Statement to his uncle, and then the dogs from H-E-Double Hockeysticks will be unleashed.
btsnboy almost 13 years ago
Maybe the company will fire AE and promote TJ to replace her? LOL
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
TO LEVITICUS: i forgot about Diane. Now there would be a Chick fight right there. Youâre right.
opus1001 almost 13 years ago
BTW, the last statement from Ox appears aimed at TJ for bullying Anne, not at Anne for continuing to bully Ox
PNmom06 almost 13 years ago
This strip is generating some marvelous commentary!!
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
@ poochiwoochie@ Lavatube@ Day of the Dead@ Joecrow@ Tinyman
Sine theyâre carrying on in the middle of the restaurant floor (incident started when AE interrupted Ox eating), presumably other patrons are witness to the unseemly visuals of the store manager badgering a customer.Yeah, and just how many of them are gong to do anything, object, or call the cops? None. You all overestimate the eagerness of the American public to get involved in anything that looks nasty, time consuming and might require them to have to bear witness to anything and sit around for the rest of the day being questioned.
Not until Ox commits battery on Ann will anyone call 911, and even then probably not.
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
LOVE IT! LOVE IT! LOVE IT!!!!!!
Kathe almost 13 years ago
Agree. I can see her doing that.
RobinLea almost 13 years ago
I miss this cute bonde I used to see in this stripâŠ. hmmm what was her name⊠oh yeah! Luann!!
fruegade almost 13 years ago
I donât believe this will end up with AE arrested. Too simple. Greg never goes for the obvious kill⊠Surprise me again, pleeeeaaaase
Doctor11 almost 13 years ago
Thatâs grounds for assault! Someone call the cops now!
Joecrow almost 13 years ago
As I said yeasterday, we shouldnât underestimate TJ. He has had a few suprises. The way he is grinning, he may have another one up his sleeve.
JimT8 almost 13 years ago
@mojitobaby
Films are offered to members of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences âfor your considerationâ â much as you obvously think the law has that caveat, it doesnât.Theoreticallyâ, nothing.
I certainly was not offering a defense for Ann, rather a defense of Ox for retaining the paper. Anyone offered a document to sign clearly has the right to read it first and make a decision. That is what I intended by using the word âconsideration.â (which of course has other, irrelevant meanings.) I should have omitted the reference to the law there. My âtheoretically,â was misleading and redundant: I just meant that this was one of the narrative possibilities.
You can edit my stuff any time!
eocene82 almost 13 years ago
So Shannon bites her, Toni laughs that Shannon bites her, TJ refuses to sign a witness statement regarding the assault, and Ox steals her paperwork and plays keep-away while TJ laughs at her from the sidelines. And Ann is the only one in this whole awful arc who is a bad person? yeeeeeeeah, okay.
lecrenb almost 13 years ago
Personally, I was always hoping the coyote, or Elmer, would win one⊠just onceâŠ
lecrenb almost 13 years ago
Didnât AE get banished once already, years ago, for hassling Bernice? I foresee a similar fate in store for her.
Bernie McArty almost 13 years ago
Best story yet, sheâs finally getting what she deserves a knock down!
Shineclan almost 13 years ago
maybe Ox should bite her too.
Guilty Bystander almost 13 years ago
Ann Eiffel isnât going to be jettisoned from this strip any more than J.R. Ewing would be eliminated from âDallasâ (Larry Hagmanâs even been brought out of his cryogenic chamber to do a TNT version of âDallasâ this year) for the same reason: Villains are compelling characters to audiences, who live to either see them get served a heaping bowl of justice OR to see how theyâll get out of what theyâve done.
Look at all the comments that get posted on these boards whenever Ann Eiffel is in the mix: Thatâs not an accident. Characters like her are comic gold.
VirginiaCityLady almost 13 years ago
Canât wait to see Ann get what she deserves. An old boss of mine was almost as bad. I quit after six months! Found out years later that his wife left him and he wasnât a boss any more! Paybackâs a bitch!
PocketNaomi almost 13 years ago
I love Ox!
maxmike almost 13 years ago
And now, Panel 4 of the above strip: http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u485/prez2401/funny-Hulk-punching-Thor-Loki.jpg
drewpamon almost 13 years ago
Yes it is illegal in American federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 1622 provides: âWhoever procures another to commit any perjury is guilty of subornation of perjury, and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.â The court isnât going to be impressed when Ann says that I tried to get him to commit purgry but itâs ok because I hadnât filed with the court.
JohhnyB almost 13 years ago
I hear that Timmy Turner and his fairies are real also. Yay!.Boy, with the roof of his parentâs house always being ripped off by some sort of fiendish villain or the like, I hope his (apparently very rich) parents didnât invest TOO much in the Facebook IPO debacleâŠ
drewpamon almost 13 years ago
âYes I did try to convince a minor to lie to this court, but he didnât actually sign it and I wasnât sure if I would use the false evidence âŠ.â yeah donât see a Judge having any sympathy. Weighing your options means âDo I have enough ligitimate evidence to sue?â or âDo I really want to sue a 5 year old for biting me?â not âhmm Maybe I can create a criminal conspircy to bribe witnesses to commit purgery, fake evidence all while contributing to the delinquency of a minorâ maybe having the thought wonât get you put in jail but the act certainly will.
Llywus almost 13 years ago
Wow, ..said, thatâs pulling some ole cobwebs off of the grey matter. Hadnât thought of the Beagle Boys in decades!
Airman almost 13 years ago
?Well, either I got bleeped or I forgot to hit submit. Guess Iâll never know. I was just wondering if since Ann grabbed a fistful of Oxâs shirt, might it be okay for him to grab a handful of her shirt?
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
See my earlier answer. In the real world, her attorney would have first deposed Ox and drawn up a witness statement for him to sign. Ann seems to be acting pro se here, even though she has counsel, but then itâs the Luanniverse and why wreck a great attempt to intimidate? . Anyhoo, if she coerced him to sign and knew that he didnât witness the event, that would be subornation of perjury on her part. If it can be proved her attorney knew the statement was false, the charge would also attach to him. You can also add conspiracy to file a false claim since the false statement would be integral to the damage suit. Again, proving this guilty knowledge is the trick..But since Ox has stated he didnât see it, and we know that she is aware he wasnât there, her actions re coercion and bribery are an indication of guilty conduct, or actus reus. She can claim sheâs just âconsidering her optionsâ til the cows come home, but criminal liability has already attached to her actions, and repentence or a delay in bringing suit doesnât negate that. Getting someone to prosecute is another matter..A conspiracy is whatâs known as an inchoate offense or inchoate crime â which means a crime of preparing for, or seeking to, commit another crime. Itâs conduct thatâs considered criminal without any actual harm being done â and the harm that would have occurred has to be one that the law tries to prevent. That would include larceny, murder, fraud, false claims, etc.
Popeyesforearm almost 13 years ago
heâs gonna give her a facial in a second.
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Bingo â proof that Ox signed the statement willfully, knowing that it was false; and proof that Ann knew that his statement was false, are necessary bring to a charge of subornation of perjury. Again, youâd also have to prove that the perjury was material â in other words, that it had an actual impact on the outcome of a suit or out of court settlement. .Conspiracy, however, doesnât depend on that. Ox could sign, and then turn around and testify against Ann in a conspiracy charge. How much heâd be believed, after being part of a conspiracy to commit perjury and filing a false claim, would be the $28,000 question. .In my real world fantasy, a prosecutor would give Ann the option to plead out and do the WW dishes â by hand â for the rest of the year.
reindeerlover2 almost 13 years ago
@mojitobabyI donât understand why people who think Ann was in the right (before trying to get Ox to sign falsly, at least) are called Trolls. I really like this strip, and always read it. But when the child bit someone and was praised for it, I thought it was going to be a lesson in how you shouldnât teach a kid to do that. I figured that later Shannon would bite someone else, and when Toni yelled at her, sheâd say, âBut you liked it when I bit the mean lady,â and then Toni would learn how to be a better aunt. If Toni had apologized to Ann and offered to pay her medical bill if needed, then, yeah, Ann would be a bad person to sue over it. But the kid did bite her, and the babysitter totally didnât care. If she really might have had a bit of nerve damage, sheâd be totally right to sue them for it. I know this isnât the real world, but I just donât feel at all sorry for Toni in this situation, and TJ should sign the witness statement because itâs TRUE. Then if it ever went to court he could testify about how Ann provoked, and plus theyâd probably prove she only needed a little bit of medical care not $28,000.
I have a puppy, and if a stranger tried to grab his chew toy and he bit them, Iâd be really sorry and Iâd give my dog a serious scolding and time-out. I wouldnât want him to think biting people is okay.
I donât know why that would be considered an opinion of a âTroll.â This is what I really think about this strip.
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
You might not want to be so literal in your interpretations â JimT8 has a good sense of humor, he was kidding.
oldfogie almost 13 years ago
Shannon did bite AE so if AE sues, while it is a frivolous claim, it is not fraudulent. She is now unlikely to proceed because she cannot get any witnesses to testify. I do not think that either Ox or TJ will sue or report her to the police, for then they would come down to her level, and they are not that petty. This will be resolved without involving police by Oxâs father, or a business acquaintance who will be the owner of WW, and who will take exception to the way AE is treating her customers.
DayoftheDead almost 13 years ago
Only for 10 to 15 years. Just guessing.
Fan oâ Lio. almost 13 years ago
Iâll bet that at the end of the week we will still be arguing over that piece of paper. Greg knows how to stretch things out.
raptor6868 almost 13 years ago
Iâd like to see AE in an orange outfit
Fan oâ Lio. almost 13 years ago
Looks like you are just getting your âsecond windâ.
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
TJ has access to a mysterious âbank accountâ set up by his dad before he split for Argentina, not a trust fund. Thereâs a HUGE difference.
Fan oâ Lio. almost 13 years ago
Is he assaulting or battering it?
JohhnyB almost 13 years ago
All hail flashman! Yeah baby!
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Thatâs pretty much it. A trust is a setup where someone creates a sustained benefit for someone else, and usually involves a trustee, or trustees, overseeing it. Itâs a way to provide financial security or resources over a period of time. The assets can come from property, stocks, bonds, etc. and can have restrictions on when theyâre disbursed to the recipient of the trust. Donât even go into all the tax implications..A bank account means the funds are in your name, you have total discretion. And that means youâll also have discretion to eat beans for the rest of your life if you blow the money on sheetrock repairs and having your teeth veneered. .What we donât know is whether the account is offshore, or not.
imbaldeagle almost 13 years ago
So my question is, If there are 12 persons perjury, are they all indictable?
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
What I âgetâ is that you really must like that cattle prod. I may have to start using a car battery or just move straight on to waterboarding.
FlyingPenguin almost 13 years ago
I love how TJ is just hanging out in the background, watching Ann mess everything up.
imbaldeagle almost 13 years ago
Every once in awhile, I see that somebody is bored with this strip. Must be ADD because most people seem enthusiastic with the possibilities and outcomes. BTW is comeuppance the same as an uppercut? I donât see Ox doing that to Ann. But he may pick her up and carry her to his uncle. I donât think thatâs kidnapping, but it may be Habeas Corpus (âmay you have the bodyâ).
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
I have to laugh about how many versions people who witnessed this would come up with! Depending on whether they heard the dialogue, their take on who did what to whom,etc., it would astound you just how far apart âeyewitnessâ accounts can be. .I still remember a â91 accident at LAX where a USAIR 737 landed on top of a Skywest Metroliner on the commuter runway, and the impact and resulting fire killed 34 passengers. .Several âeyewitnessesâ on the TV that night gave highly detailed descriptions of how the USAIR jet was on fire coming in for a landing â even before it landed on top of the Texas Sewerpipe. That was the moment when I realized that people are not only highly suggestible, but also have trouble processing what they see. Scary.
Dry and Dusty Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Once again, this late at night, too many comments to read, so if I am repeating what someone else said, so be it. But PLEASE TELL ME, THIS BEYOTCH IS FINALLY GOINâ DOWN! :-D
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Sheâs definitely getting desperate! Ann tends to lash out when she doesnât get her own way, but due to Oxâs size the only one sheâs hurting here is herself.
mojitobaby almost 13 years ago
Sadly, people have been executed in this country and elsewhere â solely on eyewitness testimony. Pretty sobering to consider.
Airman almost 13 years ago
Keep Toni out of thisâŠ.sheâs built like an Amazon. You know, even I am starting to miss Luann and Bernice.
mechaman almost 13 years ago
Sheâs already guilty of battery (assault is threat, battery is actual contact), and since she gave Ox the paper, she cannot claim that he took it without her permission. T.C. is a witness to that.
David Huie Green LikeNobody'sEverSeen almost 13 years ago
REGARDING:ItsAFreakingComicStripâYou people are all losers. Try to get involved in real life..This comic strip is a reflection of real life and concerns expressed here are real concerns such as justice, law, danger, hatred, blindness, revenge..The comments are a means of sharing with each other and that is also a big part of life, unlike attacking any with whom one disagrees. Well, okay, thatâs part of life but an unpleasant part.