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Interesting turn of events from Gregās earlier thinking. From the Nov. 2018 Stars and Celebs interview ( https://starsandcelebs.com/2018/11/interview-greg-evans-creator-of-comic-strip-luann/ ): āGE: Sex, politics and religion are 3 things I canāt address in at strip like LUANN, which is perceived as a āfamily strip.ā ā¦ āAs for sex, itās truly the elephant in the room when writing about healthy young adults.ā ā¦ āIāve danced around it, hinted at it, made innuendos and double entendres, but I always make sure thereās no concrete evidence that indicates sex occurred. Readers can assume all my characters are either pure as snow OR are romping off-panel.āAs for the Les and Tiff and some of the other characters: āGE: Characters who are sane, normal and pure are hard to write for; theyāre boring. The fun ones are evil (Leslie Knox, Dirk), wacky (Knute, Goth Guy), obsessive (Bernice, Gunther) or totally clueless and self-absorbed (Tiffany and, sometimes, Luann). So when I can put a clueless with an obsessive or an evil with a wacky, sparks fly. Those are my favorite story lines.ā
Hahaha, canāt you see Les is doing this on purpose at this point? Heās like the sibling who knows how to work that last nerve. In another aspect Les also envious of Gunther. Gunther has a loving mother, a healthy circle of friends, is someone everyone trusts and supports. Unfortunately Leslieās life has been down a different path. Maybe Les is staring into the face of the life heās wanted and is projecting himself the way he knows how to be noticed.
Little hottie Luann has a priceless WTF? expression here. One fun variation would have been for Luann and Tara showing up together to visit Gunther. After Les says his lines, Tara might reply, āHave you had any luck with that, sailor?ā
Well that went pretty much as expected. Now as We brace ourselves for the deluge of enviable and predictable āWhiny, Moody Angry, Gunthie boyā comments, a few points:
1) Les only works from 5 to 10? Thatās almost āTiffany Farrell Hours.ā He aināt making a whole lotta dough workinā those hours. No wonder heās pilfering tips. I wonder if Knox had his time cut in half too, like Tiffany did?
2) Luann hasnāt uttered a peep. Either she shrugged off what Les said or as RSH said yesterday, was āflattered by it.ā And if thatās the case, Luās āstockā just went down 100 points with Me.
3) Despite Lesā crude, boorish comments, he seems to indicate that he has more faith in what Gunther would be doing with Luann than two thirds of the āfansā do! Yeah, Yeah I know. āLes doesnāt believe that, and is just taunting Gunther and pushing his buttons.ā Got it.
4) On a positive note, Last year, Tiffany only gave Gunther two hours with HER. This time around, Les is āgenerously allowingā Gunther five alone Luann, before he comes home and ātakes over.ā So maybe has changed! Naaaaaaaah.
Waiter? COFFEE and a couple of Danishes! Oh, and a box of bandages for My Favorite Nerd, who stands to be Gravely Wounded BEFORE this Arc is overā¦..,
As far as his comments, first EWWW, but I think Les IS purposefully being gross to bug Gunther. Luann does have a WTH look on her face and Gunther isnāt wearing a plaid shirt today.
I do not think that there is any chemistry between Luann and Gunther. However, there could be an āany port in a stormā kind of desperation passion between Gunther and Tiffany.
1) Leslie: Extreme example of Leslie reverting to his basic character. Recall the cherry stem event aimed at Tiffany as an example of crudeness toward females. It wasnāt as extreme because his uncle was present. Interesting that Greg didnāt display this behavior when Les was alone with Tiffany; although Les and Tiffany are a natural pair according to the aforementioned interview. BUT Perhaps Greg is signaling that Les has perceived something in Luannās manner that she is there with a more than platonic interest in Gunthie. I know it a stretch and maybe a personal wish, butā¦
2) Gunther: Another example of Gunther āmanning upā with Les. His āprotector of womankindā gene/training trumps his natural shyness and reticence. Is this a new part of his basic character? Will it stick? As mentioned above by maxiesmom2, Gunther is dressed to impress (as is Luann) and not for just a casual ālet me show you around the digs.ā
3) Luann: Luann is looking at Gunther, not Les. Maybe sheās seeing Gunth in a new, old way. We donāt see her reaction to Lesā crudity. If she makes an offhand comment to Gunther along the lines of why Les would think Gunther isnāt romantic material the āgame would be afootā as a renowned detective oft said.
4) The future: While thereās bound to be some discussion of Les and his behavior, what follows next will probably telegraph where Greg is taking the Gunther-Luann relationship. I predict a Luann internal conflict with her feelings for Gunther and Jack. Why do I think this? Because it is typical of the internal dilemmas in which he places Luann. In fact, I would only be mildly shocked if this meeting evolves into a āshoes under the bed at sunrise,ā as telegraphed in the aforementioned Greg interview. What a fine mess that would make of Luannās relationship with all of her close contemporaries: Jack, Bernice, Tara, Les, Tiffanyā¦. Greg could ride that horse forever!
Well he tried to be his usual old vulgar self but Gunther kept cutting him off at the āā-!Guess the G. Man has learned to be on the offensive regarding Les after what happened with Tiffany. Luann May appreciate Guntherās actions more than Tiffany did too. I hope they have a nice evening and Gunther doesnāt get obsessed about Les and his boorish behavior.
Scenes I Would Like to See But I Know Will Never Happen:
Tomorrowās strip. Luann: āTHATāS what you have to live with? Geez Gunth, you need to move out! NOW!!ā
A later strip. Jack goes into to Fuze and walks up to Les. Jack: āHey, I heard you said some very vulgar insulting things to my friend Luann. I DONāT LIKE people who are rude to my friends. Why donāt we step outside andā¦..discuss it?ā
I think all the women in this group need to have a intervention with Les and let him know heās being sexist and women arenāt happy about that. He needs to know it asap.
RIght now as I am posting later (need to get sleep to keep up with my work load) I am making a concerted effort not to read other posts, and I do intend to response to a select few later, but simply scanning shows how sex really colors things. Man, Les is an evil sex fiend, and Gunther is a repressed and angry mope. While there is some truth to that, that is not the point IMHO. Les is just being Les, not dangerous, he is reforming, slowly I grant, but I understand how his character is drawn. I mean he is living in the same house with the guy he bullied in high school, and hit on Guntherās putative GF, Rose, which is when Gunther whomped him with that FULL bookbag. They have not killed each other, so that is progress. Gunther is just being Gunther, and I think he is more offended by Les being Les, kind of a lecher, but harmless, around Luann. I think Luann is drawn (I think it is better to look at how the drawing is, rather than projecting what we think the characters should feel, because that is just us feeling, not what the panel was drawn to mean) to show shock at how angry Gunther is here, and I think one can infer that she not that upset with Les and his ārudeā comments. I think rude is not the right word by the way, perhaps a bet presumptious, but Les is DRAWN as a throwback really. He was raised in the grifter world if you consider Ann. Anyway, and I know this really engenders some people to project snark at me, but I am sure I am āprojectingā what the comicās fundamental intent is, which is āhilarity ensues.ā
Hilarity does ensue! I reread the panels, and while I take not a word back from my first comment, I get the thing about a Threesome. Les is a rogue lets face it. And he knows how to get under Guntherās skin too. Brilliant drawing and wordplay Greg. Relax guys, there will be no threesome, and these are young adults, college students, or people working, a world that all people grow through. Itās just a more mature Luannverse. I think that ending panel, and the panels leading up to it were some of the funniest I have seen for a long time in Luann. I wonder how Les and Tara would relate.
Les is really sleaze. He knows that Gunther is shy and likes to hit him like that. Surely Luann has understood what a terrible life his friend is doing. I hope she can helps him to find a solution.
Unfortunately, the situation is turning badly. Yes, Les is being an annoyance. Butā¦. unfortunatelyā¦. Gunther is IMO NOT responding the right way to Les. Instead of getting all annoyed, hurt, and grumpyā¦. he really would have been far better off laughing it off and taking some sort of reverse jab back at Lesā¦. there are a variety of responses he could have made from the very coarse (not suggested in front of Luann) to sophisticated or absurd, that would have diffused Lesā firepower and would have left Gunther feeling better about the interaction.
What I fear now is that Guntherās anger about Lesā stupid comments will have Gunther again focus on his anger about Les and not about interacting with Luann in a pleasant, positive manner.
Acting angry and irritable in front of someone you are wanting to a have a pleasant evening with sets the wrong tone at the outset. If I went to a friendās house to spend the evening and witnessed my friend shouting angrily at his/her room mate. I would be uncomfortable and looking to leave. The evening is now ruined (as I expected) and it is Guntherās problem.
On a different tack, Iām trying to figure the source of Luannās wide eyed look in the 1st panel. Iām guessing the pink shirt; and now we will have an angry person in a pink shirt.
I havenāt said this before, but I would rather have Luann and Jack together instead of her and Gunther (as some posters have suggested in the past). Jack seems to be more stable and one without anger issues. In fact, I wouldnāt blame Luann if she did what Tiffany did last time she was there and walked out on both Gunther and Les. Theyāre both men no woman in her right mind wants to be around.
I think heās mostly just saying things to get noticed. If people were to take Les up on all his āoffersāā¦.I think weād see him back peddling.
Templo S.U.D. about 6 years ago
Leslie is one pain in the buttocks that wonāt go away.
Namrepus about 6 years ago
Heās got a great future as a movie studio head.
AnyFace about 6 years ago
Gunther really needs a place of his own. āØ
Wilde Bill about 6 years ago
A place of his own and anger management classes.
Far trippin' about 6 years ago
The adventures of Gunther Unger and Leslie Madison. Just move to NYC already, guys!
lvlax about 6 years ago
Wowā¦pretty racy for a Luann strip!
Pointspread about 6 years ago
Les knows exactly how to get to Gunther. And Gunther should chill and ignore the bore.
capricorn9th about 6 years ago
Wonder what Luann thinks of the whole Odd Couple thing.
Brdshtt Premium Member about 6 years ago
Smart money would have been to record that and play it for āUncle Alā.
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Of course the Les apologists here will say that is part of Lesā plan to drive women to poor old Guntherā¦
DaJellyBelly about 6 years ago
I think Luann should tell her parents exactly what happened.
RabbitHole about 6 years ago
Interesting turn of events from Gregās earlier thinking. From the Nov. 2018 Stars and Celebs interview ( https://starsandcelebs.com/2018/11/interview-greg-evans-creator-of-comic-strip-luann/ ): āGE: Sex, politics and religion are 3 things I canāt address in at strip like LUANN, which is perceived as a āfamily strip.ā ā¦ āAs for sex, itās truly the elephant in the room when writing about healthy young adults.ā ā¦ āIāve danced around it, hinted at it, made innuendos and double entendres, but I always make sure thereās no concrete evidence that indicates sex occurred. Readers can assume all my characters are either pure as snow OR are romping off-panel.āAs for the Les and Tiff and some of the other characters: āGE: Characters who are sane, normal and pure are hard to write for; theyāre boring. The fun ones are evil (Leslie Knox, Dirk), wacky (Knute, Goth Guy), obsessive (Bernice, Gunther) or totally clueless and self-absorbed (Tiffany and, sometimes, Luann). So when I can put a clueless with an obsessive or an evil with a wacky, sparks fly. Those are my favorite story lines.ā
P8ntedBunting about 6 years ago
Hahaha, canāt you see Les is doing this on purpose at this point? Heās like the sibling who knows how to work that last nerve. In another aspect Les also envious of Gunther. Gunther has a loving mother, a healthy circle of friends, is someone everyone trusts and supports. Unfortunately Leslieās life has been down a different path. Maybe Les is staring into the face of the life heās wanted and is projecting himself the way he knows how to be noticed.
Joe1962 about 6 years ago
You got to love Les!!!!
kenhense about 6 years ago
Little hottie Luann has a priceless WTF? expression here. One fun variation would have been for Luann and Tara showing up together to visit Gunther. After Les says his lines, Tara might reply, āHave you had any luck with that, sailor?ā
Mordock999 Premium Member about 6 years ago
Well that went pretty much as expected. Now as We brace ourselves for the deluge of enviable and predictable āWhiny, Moody Angry, Gunthie boyā comments, a few points:
1) Les only works from 5 to 10? Thatās almost āTiffany Farrell Hours.ā He aināt making a whole lotta dough workinā those hours. No wonder heās pilfering tips. I wonder if Knox had his time cut in half too, like Tiffany did?
2) Luann hasnāt uttered a peep. Either she shrugged off what Les said or as RSH said yesterday, was āflattered by it.ā And if thatās the case, Luās āstockā just went down 100 points with Me.
3) Despite Lesā crude, boorish comments, he seems to indicate that he has more faith in what Gunther would be doing with Luann than two thirds of the āfansā do! Yeah, Yeah I know. āLes doesnāt believe that, and is just taunting Gunther and pushing his buttons.ā Got it.
4) On a positive note, Last year, Tiffany only gave Gunther two hours with HER. This time around, Les is āgenerously allowingā Gunther five alone Luann, before he comes home and ātakes over.ā So maybe has changed! Naaaaaaaah.
Waiter? COFFEE and a couple of Danishes! Oh, and a box of bandages for My Favorite Nerd, who stands to be Gravely Wounded BEFORE this Arc is overā¦..,
Anathema Premium Member about 6 years ago
I didnāt realize Les Has such a mouth on him.
Troglodyte about 6 years ago
Good thing Luann didnāt complete Lesā first sentence with an āAck!ā :D
M2MM about 6 years ago
In the meantime, Luann is trying to stifle hysterics. :D
bclark71 about 6 years ago
Luann should get a vote.
dmdip about 6 years ago
There is far more unexploited potential in the Brad, Toni and TJ menage.
JudyHendrickson about 6 years ago
creepy looking too!!!
WilliamVollmer about 6 years ago
Does Les actually get anywhere with those lines he uses? I suspect heās as dateless at least as much as Gunther-if not more!
jrankin1959 about 6 years ago
When is this all going to finally go nuclear, I wonder?
m b about 6 years ago
this is as bad as Ann/Tiffany strips
elliel203 about 6 years ago
He put the Les in moLester.
maxiesmom2 Premium Member about 6 years ago
As far as his comments, first EWWW, but I think Les IS purposefully being gross to bug Gunther. Luann does have a WTH look on her face and Gunther isnāt wearing a plaid shirt today.
Airman about 6 years ago
I do not think that there is any chemistry between Luann and Gunther. However, there could be an āany port in a stormā kind of desperation passion between Gunther and Tiffany.
rickmac1937 Premium Member about 6 years ago
Still think Gunner is going to tie up with Tiff.
Tyge about 6 years ago
Much potential in todayās strip.
1) Leslie: Extreme example of Leslie reverting to his basic character. Recall the cherry stem event aimed at Tiffany as an example of crudeness toward females. It wasnāt as extreme because his uncle was present. Interesting that Greg didnāt display this behavior when Les was alone with Tiffany; although Les and Tiffany are a natural pair according to the aforementioned interview. BUT Perhaps Greg is signaling that Les has perceived something in Luannās manner that she is there with a more than platonic interest in Gunthie. I know it a stretch and maybe a personal wish, butā¦
2) Gunther: Another example of Gunther āmanning upā with Les. His āprotector of womankindā gene/training trumps his natural shyness and reticence. Is this a new part of his basic character? Will it stick? As mentioned above by maxiesmom2, Gunther is dressed to impress (as is Luann) and not for just a casual ālet me show you around the digs.ā
3) Luann: Luann is looking at Gunther, not Les. Maybe sheās seeing Gunth in a new, old way. We donāt see her reaction to Lesā crudity. If she makes an offhand comment to Gunther along the lines of why Les would think Gunther isnāt romantic material the āgame would be afootā as a renowned detective oft said.
4) The future: While thereās bound to be some discussion of Les and his behavior, what follows next will probably telegraph where Greg is taking the Gunther-Luann relationship. I predict a Luann internal conflict with her feelings for Gunther and Jack. Why do I think this? Because it is typical of the internal dilemmas in which he places Luann. In fact, I would only be mildly shocked if this meeting evolves into a āshoes under the bed at sunrise,ā as telegraphed in the aforementioned Greg interview. What a fine mess that would make of Luannās relationship with all of her close contemporaries: Jack, Bernice, Tara, Les, Tiffanyā¦. Greg could ride that horse forever!
eladee AKA Wally about 6 years ago
Well he tried to be his usual old vulgar self but Gunther kept cutting him off at the āā-!Guess the G. Man has learned to be on the offensive regarding Les after what happened with Tiffany. Luann May appreciate Guntherās actions more than Tiffany did too. I hope they have a nice evening and Gunther doesnāt get obsessed about Les and his boorish behavior.
Schrodinger's Dog about 6 years ago
short shift, only 5 hours?
wantcomicsnow about 6 years ago
Scenes I Would Like to See But I Know Will Never Happen:
Tomorrowās strip. Luann: āTHATāS what you have to live with? Geez Gunth, you need to move out! NOW!!ā
A later strip. Jack goes into to Fuze and walks up to Les. Jack: āHey, I heard you said some very vulgar insulting things to my friend Luann. I DONāT LIKE people who are rude to my friends. Why donāt we step outside andā¦..discuss it?ā
Schrodinger's Dog about 6 years ago
Luann can get even with Les by leaving a sock on the doorknob when she departs. Les seeing that, will have to find another place to stay the night.
animemom50 about 6 years ago
I think all the women in this group need to have a intervention with Les and let him know heās being sexist and women arenāt happy about that. He needs to know it asap.
ZoMcYo Premium Member about 6 years ago
I know heās a jerk, but Les knows how to push Guntherās buttons and is sometimes funny. He is just a normal guy at that age.
luann1212 about 6 years ago
RIght now as I am posting later (need to get sleep to keep up with my work load) I am making a concerted effort not to read other posts, and I do intend to response to a select few later, but simply scanning shows how sex really colors things. Man, Les is an evil sex fiend, and Gunther is a repressed and angry mope. While there is some truth to that, that is not the point IMHO. Les is just being Les, not dangerous, he is reforming, slowly I grant, but I understand how his character is drawn. I mean he is living in the same house with the guy he bullied in high school, and hit on Guntherās putative GF, Rose, which is when Gunther whomped him with that FULL bookbag. They have not killed each other, so that is progress. Gunther is just being Gunther, and I think he is more offended by Les being Les, kind of a lecher, but harmless, around Luann. I think Luann is drawn (I think it is better to look at how the drawing is, rather than projecting what we think the characters should feel, because that is just us feeling, not what the panel was drawn to mean) to show shock at how angry Gunther is here, and I think one can infer that she not that upset with Les and his ārudeā comments. I think rude is not the right word by the way, perhaps a bet presumptious, but Les is DRAWN as a throwback really. He was raised in the grifter world if you consider Ann. Anyway, and I know this really engenders some people to project snark at me, but I am sure I am āprojectingā what the comicās fundamental intent is, which is āhilarity ensues.ā
luann1212 about 6 years ago
Hilarity does ensue! I reread the panels, and while I take not a word back from my first comment, I get the thing about a Threesome. Les is a rogue lets face it. And he knows how to get under Guntherās skin too. Brilliant drawing and wordplay Greg. Relax guys, there will be no threesome, and these are young adults, college students, or people working, a world that all people grow through. Itās just a more mature Luannverse. I think that ending panel, and the panels leading up to it were some of the funniest I have seen for a long time in Luann. I wonder how Les and Tara would relate.
ForrestOverin about 6 years ago
Vulgar, is right. Ick.
notbornyesterday about 6 years ago
Gunther, sprout some ānads and get your own place
Squoop about 6 years ago
There is zero hope for Les, pure scoundrel. Annās apple did not fall far from the tree.
Lyons Group, Inc. about 6 years ago
What is this? āLetās Be a Jerk Weekā?
elliel203 about 6 years ago
My college roommate once offered me to join in on a threesome with his girl-of-the-weekā¦never materialized. I think I dodged a bullet there.
bakana about 6 years ago
Is Les thinking that, if heās Obnoxious Enough, Gunther will most out and leave him the house, all to himself?
David Huie Green LikeNobody'sEverSeen about 6 years ago
Leslie is offering to be helpful. And to think some thought he was still bad.
(All habits are hard to break.)
Ignatz Premium Member about 6 years ago
Sheās in the room, right? And heās talking about a Luann Sandwich?
chris_weaver about 6 years ago
Yes, I, too, am shocked that Les would act in a vulgar fashion!
JD'Huntsville'AL about 6 years ago
I am so glad Gunther got rid of that stupid stubble look. Now if number two nephew would only do the same.
Aladar30 Premium Member about 6 years ago
Les is really sleaze. He knows that Gunther is shy and likes to hit him like that. Surely Luann has understood what a terrible life his friend is doing. I hope she can helps him to find a solution.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member about 6 years ago
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Unfortunately, the situation is turning badly. Yes, Les is being an annoyance. Butā¦. unfortunatelyā¦. Gunther is IMO NOT responding the right way to Les. Instead of getting all annoyed, hurt, and grumpyā¦. he really would have been far better off laughing it off and taking some sort of reverse jab back at Lesā¦. there are a variety of responses he could have made from the very coarse (not suggested in front of Luann) to sophisticated or absurd, that would have diffused Lesā firepower and would have left Gunther feeling better about the interaction.
What I fear now is that Guntherās anger about Lesā stupid comments will have Gunther again focus on his anger about Les and not about interacting with Luann in a pleasant, positive manner.
RSH about 6 years ago
Acting angry and irritable in front of someone you are wanting to a have a pleasant evening with sets the wrong tone at the outset. If I went to a friendās house to spend the evening and witnessed my friend shouting angrily at his/her room mate. I would be uncomfortable and looking to leave. The evening is now ruined (as I expected) and it is Guntherās problem.
RSH about 6 years ago
On a different tack, Iām trying to figure the source of Luannās wide eyed look in the 1st panel. Iām guessing the pink shirt; and now we will have an angry person in a pink shirt.
live2read about 6 years ago
I havenāt said this before, but I would rather have Luann and Jack together instead of her and Gunther (as some posters have suggested in the past). Jack seems to be more stable and one without anger issues. In fact, I wouldnāt blame Luann if she did what Tiffany did last time she was there and walked out on both Gunther and Les. Theyāre both men no woman in her right mind wants to be around.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] about 6 years ago
@impossible_bones6, a 3 some with 2 males & one female, isnāt Gay. not in the least.
phxhocking about 6 years ago
Les is such a creep.
swanridge about 6 years ago
What is it with these guys that button their shirts up tot the top button?
Sisyphos about 6 years ago
Leslie is incorrigible; itās no wonder even meek and mild Gunny cannot put up with him!
But what about Luann? Has she nothing to say about this?
SFPirate about 6 years ago
Les is just winding up Gunther.
David Huie Green LikeNobody'sEverSeen about 6 years ago
Leslie likes Prudence and will be unhappy when he finds she is unhappy with his subprime behavior.
dv1093 about 6 years ago
HaHaHa Iām beginning to like Les more.
Fedup Bear about 6 years ago