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Real median income is up about 50% from 50 years ago. Not quite the same timeframe Rat used, but then he didnt really cite a source. https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/winter-2019/us-median-household-income-has-risen-more-you-thinkUpper income peopleās incomes increased more. Lower income peopleās income increased less, in part because of the increased labor supply resulting from immigration ā as one of Bidenās econ advisors said.
āāAfter all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, āLies ā damn lies ā and statistics,ā still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.āā Lord Courtney, 1895
Since āthe average American workerā has to be the average of all āworkersā, CEO included, how much has the āaverage American worker who are NOT CEOā wages increased?
Whatās good for the USA is good for General Bullmoose!! https://youtu.be/Kj65AcbekIE
Iāve been saying this for years. The wealth of the wealthy is founded upon and sustained by the prosperity and productivity of Americaās working people. Those among the Ā±1%, and most especially the 0.1%, who are not sociopaths (āIt is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.ā ~ Gore Vidal et al.) must realize that the best investment that the well-to-do have ever made in all of human history was in Americaās infrastructure and its middle class during the 3+ decades following WW II. It was a large part of what made America great.
Even though the taxes on the wealthy during those years were, arguably, overly confiscatory, not only did it result in remarkable economic prosperity for all, including the wealthy, it also meant that the wealthy could sleep safely in their beds and not have to cower behind walls and private armies for fear that their heads might end up on a pike. Sadly, those days seem to be passing. A person with no hope and nothing to lose can be deadly, so, as the people lose more and more, the rich must, perforce, fear more and more. Some of them know that, and know better, butā¦ So keep it up you rich bastards.
In any case, it is mostly NOT the 0.1%ās money. The bulk of the wealth that has been accumulated by the Ć¼ber-wealthy over the last four decades has been obtained by skimming, scamming, and strip mining the productivity of the working people, those who actually produced the 0.1%ās wealth. Itās the working people who are in fact the āmakersā and the wealthy are the ātakers.ā We the People have been robbed and we want, indeed demand, OUR money back.
āThereās class warfare alright, but itās my class, the rich class, thatās making war, and weāre winning.ā ~ Warren Buffet
āWe must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we canāt have both.ā ~ Justice Louis D. Brandeis
A old farm magazine gave me the best yardstick yet: How long do you have to work to: put a roof over your head; keep warm; put food on the table and so forth,
The snivelling of a typical communist: If heās too stupid or lazy to earn a decent wage, he decides itās his right, even duty, to steal from those who can.
My income has roughly doubled in the last 30 years. When i started working minimum wage was $6.85 an hour and is now $14.25 an hour. i earn $16.00 an hour with my last raise coming in 2016. At $6.85 an hour I had to use food banks and was getting a top up from welfare to support my wife and myself, In my area $16.00 is considered a living wage. Unfortunately for me I have health conditions which give me high prescription costs. I earn about $32 000.00 before taxes a year. 1/3 goes to rent, 1/3 goes to prescriptions and the remaining 1/3 goes for food, clothing, and anything else I need. Wants arenāt permitted on that budget. If I retire I will have to choose between rent or prescriptions or food as Iāll only get about 1/3 my current income from the government pension plan. Just giving a real example for the wealthier commentators to understand where the discontent comes from.
Instead of quibbling over the methodology of providing it, perhaps we could work on providing a minimum living wage? To attain a goal, you must first set an agreed-upon goal.
Most consumer items other than housing and medical care were much more expensive in the 1960-70s and even then medical care was primitive-you got cancer, you died and housing was often a 1,100 sq foot house with 1 bath and asbestos insulation, floor and ceiling tiles.Some prices from the 1970s-1970 25" tv -$740 (($5,120 2021$), 1970 dial phone $70 ($207) 1972 sidexside refrigerator $700 (($4,455) 1974 14" portable tv $265 ($1,375) 1975 toaster oven $25 ($125)It was worse in the 50/60s aka Americaās āGolden Ageā:1964 TV/stereo console $800 ($6630 2020$)āØ1951 toaster $21 ($213)āØ1957 Clock radio $43 ($401)āØ1963 Electric Skillet $20 ($180)āØ1962 Portable record player $95 ($805)āØ1960 Electric wall clock $28($245)1960 Zenith 19ā B/W $259 ($2,275)āØThe average manufacturing wage in 1960 was $2.26 hour ($20) and average household income was $7,000 ($61,000). Minimum wage was $1 ($8.75)āØSo the 1960 factory worker would have to had to work for 12+ hours to buy that wall clock.
Just watch some old game shows such as Price is Right or Lets Make a Deal and the prices are really high.
While we argue over left vs right, liberal vs conservative, Dem vs GOP, red vs blue, us vs themā¦The ones who we should really be keeping an eye on are laughing at all of us.
Itās very easy to make Social Security work, very well for everyone. At the present time, Social Security taxes are only deducted on the first $118,500 of income. If people making more than that paid the same percentage as those below it, it would save the program for eternity. At the time SS began, the income inequality gap wasnāt such an issue. Now, with 1% of the people having as much wealth as the bottom 90%, all that would be necessary for the entire country to work for everyone is to have those who make more pay their fair share.
The Good Old Daysā¢ of the 1950s that the ārightā wants to go back to had a 90% top marginal tax rate, CEOs made limited multiples of what their average employee earned, and the U.S. had its highest level of union membership ever.
Maybe what they really miss is that was the last time that āthose people knew their placeā.
One year my employer went to Profit Sharing. When I got my raise I fell off the chair. More than all before or after, combined. Sadly, they went back to what other companies paid for the same work, which were very few before AT&T was broken up - HA!
In the early 60s the best baseball players topped at round $100,000 ($855,000 2021$) earlier this week Trevor Bauer signed for $40 million in 2021 and $45 million in 2022 with the Dodgers.
Unfortunately, Republicans* (now the Party Of Trump) learned that they can obtain and retain power by allying themselves with the .01%, in order to finance exploiting the racism of the average worker.
The Base would rather live in a Russian oligarchy than allow blacks to vote and have their votes counted.
Someone leaves a comment and many just answer the comment rather than making a new comment. Particularly irksome when the comment to the comment covers a whole different unrelated POV.
What bothers me about this is that the outrage is rooted in envy. The average American worker is objectively better off than they were in 1979, and the only āproblemā is that the average CEO is even more better off.
So ā¦ as it turns out, https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html the increase has been substantially more, from ~$7,600 to ~$54,100, according to the AWI. The 11% model is based on looking at the change in things like the minimum wage ā which implies that someone works at McDonalds forever. The real question is ā¦ what difference does it make what CEO wage increase has been? Jeff Bezos salary was about $81k last year ā the bulk of his income came from stock value growth. Since Amazon has no cash flow problems ā it isnāt clear to me how Bezos getting a bunch of stock some how suppresses the wages of his employees.
Dear gordo: CEOS of huge corporations do not necessarily āinvest time, energy, and riskā in the companies they head. They get investors involved, who are willing to put up their money in return for a profit. To get āideasā on the scale of, say, Microsoft/Amazon/Lockheed/Martin, etc., thousands of employees are needed who will implement those ideas. AND along the way, probably improve those ideas. Henry Ford could no more have turned out his automobiles by the millions if not for the millions of workers who āimplementedā his āideaā of an assembly line. Bezos could not rake in the trillions if he did not have armies of employees all over the world working twelve hour shifts in his warehouses.
Bottom line is: labor and management NEED each other. But investors WANT profitāand the single biggest expense in any business are the human workers who demand-gaspā(and deserve)ādecent wages and benefits. The other bottom line is PROFIT: which is demanded by the investors, and is, of course, necessary if a company is to keep running. Nothing wrong with profit EXCEPT when greed takes over, which it almost always does. When greed takes over, CEOs are tasked by investors to find every way possible under the sun to curtail āhuman capitalā and its demands.
Didnāt YOUR economics class teach you any of these subtleties???
BE THIS GUY about 4 years ago
Rat, remember how the Paris Commune turned out.
Renatus Profuturus Frigeridus Premium Member about 4 years ago
Ratantifa.
kaffekup about 4 years ago
Once again, Iām with rat. You canāt raise employee pay, but CEOs must make more than the next guy.
Concretionist about 4 years ago
And during that time when pay rose 11%, tell me again what the inflation was please?
GeorgeInAZ about 4 years ago
Real median income is up about 50% from 50 years ago. Not quite the same timeframe Rat used, but then he didnt really cite a source. https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/winter-2019/us-median-household-income-has-risen-more-you-thinkUpper income peopleās incomes increased more. Lower income peopleās income increased less, in part because of the increased labor supply resulting from immigration ā as one of Bidenās econ advisors said.
BasilBruce about 4 years ago
Todayās background music: āWeāre Not Gonna Take Itā by Twisted Sister.
Johnny Q Premium Member about 4 years ago
Thank you, Ronald Reagan (sarc)
ronaldspence about 4 years ago
āāAfter all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, āLies ā damn lies ā and statistics,ā still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.āā Lord Courtney, 1895
Bilan about 4 years ago
Of course the CEOs pay went up much higher. Theyāre the ones that decide how much they get.
VincentGoudreault about 4 years ago
Since āthe average American workerā has to be the average of all āworkersā, CEO included, how much has the āaverage American worker who are NOT CEOā wages increased?
Alexander the Good Enough about 4 years ago
Whatās good for the USA is good for General Bullmoose!! https://youtu.be/Kj65AcbekIE
Iāve been saying this for years. The wealth of the wealthy is founded upon and sustained by the prosperity and productivity of Americaās working people. Those among the Ā±1%, and most especially the 0.1%, who are not sociopaths (āIt is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.ā ~ Gore Vidal et al.) must realize that the best investment that the well-to-do have ever made in all of human history was in Americaās infrastructure and its middle class during the 3+ decades following WW II. It was a large part of what made America great.
Even though the taxes on the wealthy during those years were, arguably, overly confiscatory, not only did it result in remarkable economic prosperity for all, including the wealthy, it also meant that the wealthy could sleep safely in their beds and not have to cower behind walls and private armies for fear that their heads might end up on a pike. Sadly, those days seem to be passing. A person with no hope and nothing to lose can be deadly, so, as the people lose more and more, the rich must, perforce, fear more and more. Some of them know that, and know better, butā¦ So keep it up you rich bastards.
In any case, it is mostly NOT the 0.1%ās money. The bulk of the wealth that has been accumulated by the Ć¼ber-wealthy over the last four decades has been obtained by skimming, scamming, and strip mining the productivity of the working people, those who actually produced the 0.1%ās wealth. Itās the working people who are in fact the āmakersā and the wealthy are the ātakers.ā We the People have been robbed and we want, indeed demand, OUR money back.
āThereās class warfare alright, but itās my class, the rich class, thatās making war, and weāre winning.ā ~ Warren Buffet
āWe must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we canāt have both.ā ~ Justice Louis D. Brandeis
jonnytest about 4 years ago
No Rat. Thatās just wrong. ā¦You need a deer rifle with a telescopic laser sight.
whahoppened about 4 years ago
A old farm magazine gave me the best yardstick yet: How long do you have to work to: put a roof over your head; keep warm; put food on the table and so forth,
Breadboard about 4 years ago
" No Whiners " This coming from the biggest Whiner in this comic strip ! Look in the mirror Rat ! ā¦ Croc Power !
cdward about 4 years ago
The cost of living rose how much?
cdward about 4 years ago
Rat sure does a lot of whining about whining.
some idiot from R'lyeh Premium Member about 4 years ago
Good rat.
Geophyzz about 4 years ago
The snivelling of a typical communist: If heās too stupid or lazy to earn a decent wage, he decides itās his right, even duty, to steal from those who can.
Brass Orchid Premium Member about 4 years ago
Establish a minimum wage by a Congressional Act. Iām certain that FDR will sign it. That will fix it.
theincrediblebulk about 4 years ago
My income has roughly doubled in the last 30 years. When i started working minimum wage was $6.85 an hour and is now $14.25 an hour. i earn $16.00 an hour with my last raise coming in 2016. At $6.85 an hour I had to use food banks and was getting a top up from welfare to support my wife and myself, In my area $16.00 is considered a living wage. Unfortunately for me I have health conditions which give me high prescription costs. I earn about $32 000.00 before taxes a year. 1/3 goes to rent, 1/3 goes to prescriptions and the remaining 1/3 goes for food, clothing, and anything else I need. Wants arenāt permitted on that budget. If I retire I will have to choose between rent or prescriptions or food as Iāll only get about 1/3 my current income from the government pension plan. Just giving a real example for the wealthier commentators to understand where the discontent comes from.
Ignatz Premium Member about 4 years ago
But remember: if we give the CEOs still more, some will eventually work its way down to you. Sucker.
Ellis97 about 4 years ago
I could use some cash right now.
Zebrastripes about 4 years ago
CEOs, college heads, are paid WAY TOO MUCH! All at the expense of employees and students!
Smokie about 4 years ago
And Congressā pay increased how much??? Funny how the people that can vote for their own increases have bigger increases.
Jeffin Premium Member about 4 years ago
Ratbo.
packet about 4 years ago
i am guessing this is one of those cartoons that could not be run around jan 6 because of the capitol riot attempt
WoodstockJack about 4 years ago
Instead of quibbling over the methodology of providing it, perhaps we could work on providing a minimum living wage? To attain a goal, you must first set an agreed-upon goal.
AZPhinFan about 4 years ago
And in 1978, a new standard sedan-type car sold for around $5000. Today itās $50,000 or more
joefearsnothing about 4 years ago
Heyā¦rank has itās privileges! Get you some,(rank) and stop snivelling! ;o]
Gen.Flashman about 4 years ago
Most consumer items other than housing and medical care were much more expensive in the 1960-70s and even then medical care was primitive-you got cancer, you died and housing was often a 1,100 sq foot house with 1 bath and asbestos insulation, floor and ceiling tiles.Some prices from the 1970s-1970 25" tv -$740 (($5,120 2021$), 1970 dial phone $70 ($207) 1972 sidexside refrigerator $700 (($4,455) 1974 14" portable tv $265 ($1,375) 1975 toaster oven $25 ($125)It was worse in the 50/60s aka Americaās āGolden Ageā:1964 TV/stereo console $800 ($6630 2020$)āØ1951 toaster $21 ($213)āØ1957 Clock radio $43 ($401)āØ1963 Electric Skillet $20 ($180)āØ1962 Portable record player $95 ($805)āØ1960 Electric wall clock $28($245)1960 Zenith 19ā B/W $259 ($2,275)āØThe average manufacturing wage in 1960 was $2.26 hour ($20) and average household income was $7,000 ($61,000). Minimum wage was $1 ($8.75)āØSo the 1960 factory worker would have to had to work for 12+ hours to buy that wall clock.
Just watch some old game shows such as Price is Right or Lets Make a Deal and the prices are really high.
Ralph Newbill about 4 years ago
Bottom line: a dollar in 1978 = four dollars today. Inflation: the hidden tax.
Znox11 about 4 years ago
While we argue over left vs right, liberal vs conservative, Dem vs GOP, red vs blue, us vs themā¦The ones who we should really be keeping an eye on are laughing at all of us.
Diane Lee Premium Member about 4 years ago
Itās very easy to make Social Security work, very well for everyone. At the present time, Social Security taxes are only deducted on the first $118,500 of income. If people making more than that paid the same percentage as those below it, it would save the program for eternity. At the time SS began, the income inequality gap wasnāt such an issue. Now, with 1% of the people having as much wealth as the bottom 90%, all that would be necessary for the entire country to work for everyone is to have those who make more pay their fair share.
ekw555 about 4 years ago
11% over 40 years?that does not seem right.nor does 11% annualized.
SALUDADOG about 4 years ago
I would rather ferment than foment.
Otis Rufus Driftwood about 4 years ago
People are more concerned how little they are earning now and not able to hold on to, not how it compares to what people earned 40 years ago.
raybarb44 about 4 years ago
11% in 43 years. Even if inflation is factored in, that isnāt very good in and of itself. Where are the pitchforks?ā¦ā¦
martynhappyone about 4 years ago
Interesting that companies have been trimming benefits as well. I believe IRA matching funds have ended and Health Care deductibles have increased.
Nyckname about 4 years ago
The Good Old Daysā¢ of the 1950s that the ārightā wants to go back to had a 90% top marginal tax rate, CEOs made limited multiples of what their average employee earned, and the U.S. had its highest level of union membership ever.
Maybe what they really miss is that was the last time that āthose people knew their placeā.
KEA about 4 years ago
Iām with Rat, the rebellion is overdue
RACerri32 about 4 years ago
What theplanet needs is a war on greed !
royq27 about 4 years ago
I expect as I ālikedā that my name has been added to a database in D.C.
WCraft about 4 years ago
Youād be real popular in Illinois: Tax the Rich!
DCBakerEsq about 4 years ago
Luckily, no one is looking at what lawyers make.
the lost wizard about 4 years ago
As they say, statistics are for losers.
cupertino jay about 4 years ago
GO PITCHFORKS (mumble-grumble) !
zeexenon about 4 years ago
One year my employer went to Profit Sharing. When I got my raise I fell off the chair. More than all before or after, combined. Sadly, they went back to what other companies paid for the same work, which were very few before AT&T was broken up - HA!
gigagrouch about 4 years ago
Capitalism is a furnace and the poor are the coal.
Aladar30 Premium Member about 4 years ago
GO RAT!!!
bunrabbit99 about 4 years ago
you go, rat!!! weāre with you!!!
Gen.Flashman about 4 years ago
In the early 60s the best baseball players topped at round $100,000 ($855,000 2021$) earlier this week Trevor Bauer signed for $40 million in 2021 and $45 million in 2022 with the Dodgers.
braindead Premium Member about 4 years ago
Unfortunately, Republicans* (now the Party Of Trump) learned that they can obtain and retain power by allying themselves with the .01%, in order to finance exploiting the racism of the average worker.
The Base would rather live in a Russian oligarchy than allow blacks to vote and have their votes counted.
The Orange Mailman about 4 years ago
No one follows instructions. It clearly says, āNo whiners.ā
PuppyPapa about 4 years ago
I donāt believe the 11% figure. Thatās rubbish.
PuppyPapa about 4 years ago
Inciting to violence? INPEECH RAT AN PASTIS!
Eric S about 4 years ago
The difference in what a CEO DOES in the span of 43 years has vastly, dramatically changed.
TimeLordSoundwave about 4 years ago
Eat the rich!
Ka`ÅnÅhi`ula`okahÅkÅ«miomio`ehiku Premium Member about 4 years ago
Someone leaves a comment and many just answer the comment rather than making a new comment. Particularly irksome when the comment to the comment covers a whole different unrelated POV.
Chris Sherlock about 4 years ago
No one will need you, Rat.
Sisyphos about 4 years ago
Yup. There is undeniably an inequity there!
Not sure Iām ready to join Ratās Rebellion, though.
scpandich about 4 years ago
What bothers me about this is that the outrage is rooted in envy. The average American worker is objectively better off than they were in 1979, and the only āproblemā is that the average CEO is even more better off.
Ammosexual Premium Member about 4 years ago
I entered the work force in 1978 at $3.20 an hour after 34 years at the same company I retired making $40.00.
ramcharanr about 4 years ago
Interesting. Got any numbers for people who work for the government?
ramcharanr about 4 years ago
Interesting. Got any numbers for people who work for the government?
Bicycle Dude about 4 years ago
Iām with you Ratā¦CHARGE!
Thinkingblade about 4 years ago
So ā¦ as it turns out, https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html the increase has been substantially more, from ~$7,600 to ~$54,100, according to the AWI. The 11% model is based on looking at the change in things like the minimum wage ā which implies that someone works at McDonalds forever. The real question is ā¦ what difference does it make what CEO wage increase has been? Jeff Bezos salary was about $81k last year ā the bulk of his income came from stock value growth. Since Amazon has no cash flow problems ā it isnāt clear to me how Bezos getting a bunch of stock some how suppresses the wages of his employees.
1953Baby about 4 years ago
Dear gordo: CEOS of huge corporations do not necessarily āinvest time, energy, and riskā in the companies they head. They get investors involved, who are willing to put up their money in return for a profit. To get āideasā on the scale of, say, Microsoft/Amazon/Lockheed/Martin, etc., thousands of employees are needed who will implement those ideas. AND along the way, probably improve those ideas. Henry Ford could no more have turned out his automobiles by the millions if not for the millions of workers who āimplementedā his āideaā of an assembly line. Bezos could not rake in the trillions if he did not have armies of employees all over the world working twelve hour shifts in his warehouses.
Bottom line is: labor and management NEED each other. But investors WANT profitāand the single biggest expense in any business are the human workers who demand-gaspā(and deserve)ādecent wages and benefits. The other bottom line is PROFIT: which is demanded by the investors, and is, of course, necessary if a company is to keep running. Nothing wrong with profit EXCEPT when greed takes over, which it almost always does. When greed takes over, CEOs are tasked by investors to find every way possible under the sun to curtail āhuman capitalā and its demands.
Didnāt YOUR economics class teach you any of these subtleties???
Homo Futuris about 4 years ago
Anytime you what to start a company that will revolutionize the world as we know it go ahead.
Kirbo almost 4 years ago
welp itās life