hearth derives from the Proto-Indo-European root ker- meaning “fire” from which also come carbon, cremate, and ceramic. (I love my American Heritage Dictionary with the Indo-European cross-index.)
So the English word “hearth”, meaning “the place where a fire is built”, comes from the old Germanic word “hertha”, meaning “the place where a fire is built”. Who could have figured!
I pronounce it HER-th but I know a lot of people that pronounce it HAR-th. I see the heart in hearth but I grew up with it the other way. I get corrected every time I say the word. It’s a lot like ToMAto or ToMOto. Keep in mind I am from the deep south.
Ooh! Ooh! I remember a conversation that came up two days ago at my daughter’s house. Somebody was momentarily wrestling with isn’t/aren’t use on a collective noun, like a flock of geese. Most of us knew the proper form (“isn’t” for a collective noun) but it occurred to me the best word – propriety being forsaken for clarity – is “ain’t.” Ain’t is both singular and plural as needed, and is understood almost anywhere American English is spoken. That ain’t what I would normally think of, but here we are.
Is it etymology or entomology? If you have ants in your pantry and care to study them and their insect cousins you will find the etymology of entomology leads you to use entomology as the classification of said creatures. That’s all…
I’m going to go all pedantic :) and call what Arlo said ‘Informational’
‘Pedantic’ is nit picking common usage to death. Or as a couple of things on the internet describe—-“giving too much attention to formal rules or small details” -" too concerned with literal accuracy or formality. It’s a negative term that implies someone is showing off book learning or trivia, especially in a tiresome way. Such as, ‘You don’t want to go antique-shopping with a pedantic friend, who will use the opportunity to bore you with his in-depth knowledge of 18th-century porcelain kitty-litter boxes"
I will have to remember this additional hearth info for later this month. Our reenactment unit will be, as usual, interpreting an 18th century house in the local restored village – all other houses are set in the 19th century. They have a candlelight nights event for a week or so around Christmas with houses only lit by period lighting. When my took my young niblings to the event decades ago (now both around 30) we did not like that it was being interpreted by people who did not know about the house in its early period nor the names of many items displayed in the house. With a fellow reenactor we volunteered to interpret the house for them. It has since involved into a event with many other members of our unit joining us. Depending on the night there may be period music and singing. Some of the fellows who are more interested in the military of the period than domestic life set up outdoors with a fire to keep warm and fire “the Christmas gun” hourly and talk about period life from their end/interest of things. (The unit is civilian, not military, but the fellows who want to form the – hope this does not make a problem – militia unit of the community (all men 16-60 to protect the community from whatever – French, Dutch, natives… were required to serve in same)
The house has what is called a Dutch fireplace (earlier in time than 1770s) – I am 5"1’ and can stand under the chimney opening and there are no sidewalls – it sits against the wall with the hearth floor coming out into the room.
Husband and I and some others do “first person” interpretation. We are specific people and know nothing past the matching day in 1775 (in mid July – Sept – 1776). We use only words/descriptions from the period. (Though if needed – such as the time we had a child separated from his parents and I needed to comfort him while he waited with me – we can break character for emergencies. )
Da'Dad 10 months ago
Brutal word choice Arlo.
pschearer Premium Member 10 months ago
hearth derives from the Proto-Indo-European root ker- meaning “fire” from which also come carbon, cremate, and ceramic. (I love my American Heritage Dictionary with the Indo-European cross-index.)
seismic-2 Premium Member 10 months ago
So the English word “hearth”, meaning “the place where a fire is built”, comes from the old Germanic word “hertha”, meaning “the place where a fire is built”. Who could have figured!
pearlsbs 10 months ago
Well, bless your hearth.
j_m_kuehl 10 months ago
Anyone up for a game of Arlo’s Trivial pursuit. . . Zzzzz
davidob 10 months ago
Home is where the hearth is. Feel the burn.
Rhetorical_Question 10 months ago
There is other word opportunities that be more colorfully?
markkahler52 10 months ago
Definition of Arlo: Pedantic
nosirrom 10 months ago
Oh grate, now he’ll go on about andirons.
wrloftis 10 months ago
He reminds me of Mr. Vincent Nigel Murray from the TV show, Bones.
dlkrueger33 10 months ago
I guess I’m pedantic. I love learning about word origins. Then again, I was an English major so this is my kind of stuff. LOL
MRBLUESKY529 10 months ago
Does Arlo pick up on sarcasm?
WaitingMan 10 months ago
Hertha Berlin is a soccer team in the second tier of German football.
JessieRandySmithJr. 10 months ago
I have to wonder if he just popped out with that or did she say "I wonder why it’s called a hearth?
joedon2007 10 months ago
Wow; this is sure a sudden change from the theme of moving to join the kids
HappyDog/ᵀʳʸ ᴮᵒᶻᵒ ⁴ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘⁿ ᵒᶠ ᶦᵗ Premium Member 10 months ago
So, pedantic Arlo, was that good? I’m not sure.
BACK9BOB 10 months ago
I’m waiting for the definition of “pedantic”….
[Traveler] Premium Member 10 months ago
In true Cliff Clavin fashion
ScullyUFO 10 months ago
And a new meme is born: “Wow! Thanks for sharing that!”
Old Bashful 10 months ago
I pronounce it HER-th but I know a lot of people that pronounce it HAR-th. I see the heart in hearth but I grew up with it the other way. I get corrected every time I say the word. It’s a lot like ToMAto or ToMOto. Keep in mind I am from the deep south.
Ignatz Premium Member 10 months ago
“He sceolde bebeodan israhela folce þæt hi namon æt ælcum heorðe anes geares lamb.” – Aelfric, Homily
Prescott_Philosopher 10 months ago
Well, actually if it’s good, then it’s not pedantic.
ncrist 10 months ago
My husband’s grandmother’s name was Hertha. Her disposition was lovely and warm.
Searcy9320 10 months ago
Thanks Atomicdog, I am like Arlo with “Nerdsplaining” my Wife just sits there and goes “OK! Next Subject!”
RonaldMcCalip 10 months ago
Tell it Brother!
cracker65 10 months ago
Useless trivia I suppose. Women are never amused with these things.
MuddyUSA Premium Member 10 months ago
Well, I never knew that…..thanks Arlo!
flagmichael 10 months ago
Ooh! Ooh! I remember a conversation that came up two days ago at my daughter’s house. Somebody was momentarily wrestling with isn’t/aren’t use on a collective noun, like a flock of geese. Most of us knew the proper form (“isn’t” for a collective noun) but it occurred to me the best word – propriety being forsaken for clarity – is “ain’t.” Ain’t is both singular and plural as needed, and is understood almost anywhere American English is spoken. That ain’t what I would normally think of, but here we are.
formathe 10 months ago
Hearth,, sound’s like a dog with a hare lip trying to bark.
flushed 10 months ago
Is it etymology or entomology? If you have ants in your pantry and care to study them and their insect cousins you will find the etymology of entomology leads you to use entomology as the classification of said creatures. That’s all…
Thehag 10 months ago
Say “fun fact” to warn people.
I’m going to go all pedantic :) and call what Arlo said ‘Informational’‘Pedantic’ is nit picking common usage to death. Or as a couple of things on the internet describe—-“giving too much attention to formal rules or small details” -" too concerned with literal accuracy or formality. It’s a negative term that implies someone is showing off book learning or trivia, especially in a tiresome way. Such as, ‘You don’t want to go antique-shopping with a pedantic friend, who will use the opportunity to bore you with his in-depth knowledge of 18th-century porcelain kitty-litter boxes"
j.l.farmer 10 months ago
I had to look up the word Pedantic. Never heard of the word before.
David Huie Green AmericaIsGreatItHasUs 10 months ago
Abstruse knowledge is underappreciated.
mistercatworks 10 months ago
Well, that was good for a hearthy laugh.
kennnyp 10 months ago
Pedantic ???… Now my head hurts….( guess i’ll take this pendant off…)
tomfromthe50s 10 months ago
What happene3d to the vase? I didn’t see Ludwig, so it should still be there!
mafastore 10 months ago
I will have to remember this additional hearth info for later this month. Our reenactment unit will be, as usual, interpreting an 18th century house in the local restored village – all other houses are set in the 19th century. They have a candlelight nights event for a week or so around Christmas with houses only lit by period lighting. When my took my young niblings to the event decades ago (now both around 30) we did not like that it was being interpreted by people who did not know about the house in its early period nor the names of many items displayed in the house. With a fellow reenactor we volunteered to interpret the house for them. It has since involved into a event with many other members of our unit joining us. Depending on the night there may be period music and singing. Some of the fellows who are more interested in the military of the period than domestic life set up outdoors with a fire to keep warm and fire “the Christmas gun” hourly and talk about period life from their end/interest of things. (The unit is civilian, not military, but the fellows who want to form the – hope this does not make a problem – militia unit of the community (all men 16-60 to protect the community from whatever – French, Dutch, natives… were required to serve in same)
The house has what is called a Dutch fireplace (earlier in time than 1770s) – I am 5"1’ and can stand under the chimney opening and there are no sidewalls – it sits against the wall with the hearth floor coming out into the room.
Husband and I and some others do “first person” interpretation. We are specific people and know nothing past the matching day in 1775 (in mid July – Sept – 1776). We use only words/descriptions from the period. (Though if needed – such as the time we had a child separated from his parents and I needed to comfort him while he waited with me – we can break character for emergencies. )