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I notice when Michael talks about the girls Lawrence has danced with and hung out with at the mall (i.e., dated), he is carefully not to mention the name of Martha, both his and Lawrenceâs ex-girlfriend.
In Mikeâs defenseâŠthats pretty shocking for the day and age when this was first written.. a lot of the LGBTQ community were far back in the closet.
Michael has it easy. At 19 my closest buddy said he had always felt he should have been a woman and was going to get a sex change operation (and eventually did). He had been hanging around with some homely girls lately, and I realized later that they all use to get guys. :-0
That was decades ago, and I am still in disbelief to this day that âKevinâ wanted to be turned into âAllisonâ. I was young and not able to handle it, so we parted ways. Not sure if I could handle it now.
âI donât wanna know what youâre telling me, man!â is such a âMichaelâ response to being told this, lol. Like heâs in disbelief AND denial, and is kind of missing just how much trust Lawrence is putting in him at this moment. How special that is is lost on him. But he gets there in the end- which is another Michael trademark. I mean, he is barely 16 at this point.
âYouâre not gay, youâre just confusedâ⊠This is why you canât bring a 28-year old comic into the present and try and pass it off as modern day.
The only choice is whether to act on oneâs sexual orientation. Lawrence made that choice, and eventually everyone must accept it. Caution for those who missed it in 1993: the following panels will be quite an emotional rollercoaster, which will become real with a certain Matthew Wayne Shepard in Wyoming in 1998.
This particular strip has aged well. There are MANY people who still think the way Michael does in this one. And, there are those that think this âbeing gay thingâ can be cured. :P
Aside from the Bottom Liners (intended as a political cartoon) leave politics and sexual persuasion adjuncts out of the comics; we come here for refuge.
Iâve written at great length about this story so I think I will let the work speak for itself. If you wish to learn more, I encourage you to read my 15th and 20th anniversary collections.
My Cousin âCame Outâ back in the 1960âs. We guys all agreed that Good Old Robby remained Good Old Robby with the following stipulations: (1) He would not tell us what he did on Saturday Nights, and we would not tell him. (2) We would still hunt and fish together as usual. But, if he made a pass at any one of us, we got to shoot him in the butt with birdshot at a range of fifty yards.
Worked out well. Sadly, my Good Old kinsman died of AIDS in 1995. I came home on Leave to sit with him when he passed. By then, he had found the Lord and he had repented. So he lives in Glory forever.
Way to go Lawrence. You got the whole world figured out; everybody else is confused. Donât blame yourself for anything. It is always everybody elseâs fault. Worked for me for eight years.
What a difference time makes. When this first was printed there were world headlines. Condemnation from conservative politicians and religious groups. Unless I missed something this kind of snuck up on us. I didnât see one thing about it anywhere.
Kudos to Johnston and GoComics for running this arc! I donât think I saw it in its original run: I think the paper I read in Reno at the time substituted reruns. Good to see this!
From my experience, any reaction where the relationship isnât ended is good one. If the person you come out doesnât cut you out of their lives (or threaten to), they just have to take a little time to process the information. The times where the other person hugs you and says they still love you are the best. The times where the other person says, âDuh, Iâve know that for a long timeâ or âIâve been wondering when youâd come out.â are funny when you think about them later.
Wow, the conversationâs actually being advanced today. Michael even used the word âgay,â albeit prefaced with "Youâre not . . . " Based on Fridayâs and Saturdayâs strips and the first panel of todayâs, I kind of expected weâd be beating around the bush all week.
By the way I made this comment in a separate thread because the other one immediately started talking about things that have nothing to do with this strip. Normally I wouldnât start a new thread but the other oneâs looking pretty hopeless for anyone who actually wants to talk about what they came here to read.
Yikes! âŠBe careful Lynn⊠This might be read by Governor in FloridaâŠand Goodness Knows you canât say the wordâgayâ in FLA⊠the sky might fall in and you will be arrested and thrown into one of their sink holesâŠ.. (come to think of itâŠthe Gov. of FLA⊠probably crawled out of one of those sink holesâŠ.)
I didnât choose to be gay. If I had a choice, I wouldnât be gay. No one chooses to be gay. Let me repeat that: NO ONE CHOOSES TO BE GAY! Why would anyone choose derision, ostracization, bullying, abuse or the confusion leading up to coming out? Why would anyone choose a path that involves âcoming outâ in the first place? Nobody, thatâs who. Imagine growing up in the military with a Marine Corps Dad and a New England school teacher Mom. When I discovered who and what I was, I was horrified. My HS classmates knew, and called me unimaginable names, and said horrible things to me. I was in denial. I didnât WANT to be gay. In college, I came out to myself and was terrified that friends or family would find out. This was in the Eighties, when gay jokes were accepted, gay bashing was a common story and AIDS was rearing itâs ugly head. Yeah, sure, keep thinking it was and is a choice.
I looks like my question a couple weeks ago to the effect of, âis this the same Lawrenceâ was well timed but if Iâd just bided my time the answer would have been revealed.
Gay, not gay, no problem for me. The ones that I donât understand are the people who donât want to be identified as male or female. Guess what, you ARE one or the other!!
I would dance with my female friends without a problem, and sit out the slow dances. Until of course my first boyfriend, where we would dance on our own on the sides until we were pulled in to dance with everyone else. After that event at Homecoming in 1984 (yes, I know that seems a bit early for the acceptance and welcome, but is history for me), every time any dance happened, we were photographed together (as opposed to a group), danced every dance together, and never once had any bullying or insults thrown our way at all.
Sexual orientation is a serious matter. It will take some time for Lawrence (and everyone else) to come to terms with his homosexuality. Itâs mostly all about being human.
Tyge almost 3 years ago
Somebody is confused.
howtheduck almost 3 years ago
I notice when Michael talks about the girls Lawrence has danced with and hung out with at the mall (i.e., dated), he is carefully not to mention the name of Martha, both his and Lawrenceâs ex-girlfriend.
Last Rose Of Summer Premium Member almost 3 years ago
In Mikeâs defenseâŠthats pretty shocking for the day and age when this was first written.. a lot of the LGBTQ community were far back in the closet.
Susan00100 almost 3 years ago
Very well put, Lawrence!!
capricorn9th almost 3 years ago
You spoke true, Lawrence. They are confused because they donât understand. It is hard. Youâre going on a difficult journey, Lawrence.
Enter.Name.Here almost 3 years ago
Michael has it easy. At 19 my closest buddy said he had always felt he should have been a woman and was going to get a sex change operation (and eventually did). He had been hanging around with some homely girls lately, and I realized later that they all use to get guys. :-0
That was decades ago, and I am still in disbelief to this day that âKevinâ wanted to be turned into âAllisonâ. I was young and not able to handle it, so we parted ways. Not sure if I could handle it now.
True story.
GirlGeek Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Youâre the one whoâs confused Mike
gpurdum8 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
If I wanted a treatise on sexual orientation, I guess the comics is as good a place as anyâŠnah, I think Iâll just move on over to some humor. Bye.
Jabroniville Premium Member almost 3 years ago
âI donât wanna know what youâre telling me, man!â is such a âMichaelâ response to being told this, lol. Like heâs in disbelief AND denial, and is kind of missing just how much trust Lawrence is putting in him at this moment. How special that is is lost on him. But he gets there in the end- which is another Michael trademark. I mean, he is barely 16 at this point.
Johnnyrico almost 3 years ago
âYouâre not gay, youâre just confusedâ⊠This is why you canât bring a 28-year old comic into the present and try and pass it off as modern day.
VegaAlopex almost 3 years ago
The only choice is whether to act on oneâs sexual orientation. Lawrence made that choice, and eventually everyone must accept it. Caution for those who missed it in 1993: the following panels will be quite an emotional rollercoaster, which will become real with a certain Matthew Wayne Shepard in Wyoming in 1998.
Train 1911 almost 3 years ago
Judge me harshly but I will judge you with kindness.
M2MM almost 3 years ago
This particular strip has aged well. There are MANY people who still think the way Michael does in this one. And, there are those that think this âbeing gay thingâ can be cured. :P
Watchdog almost 3 years ago
Aside from the Bottom Liners (intended as a political cartoon) leave politics and sexual persuasion adjuncts out of the comics; we come here for refuge.
Gerard:D almost 3 years ago
Lynnâs Comments:
Iâve written at great length about this story so I think I will let the work speak for itself. If you wish to learn more, I encourage you to read my 15th and 20th anniversary collections.
Prey almost 3 years ago
To paraphrase(i think) George Carlin â Keep thy religion ( and sexual preferences) to thy self!
margoc almost 3 years ago
Oh, good grief, now one of my favorite comics has gone âwokeâ.
vaughnrl2003 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
As with any case of âlove at first sightâ, I wonder if the guy he sighted knows he is loved?
Bambihunter6 almost 3 years ago
My Cousin âCame Outâ back in the 1960âs. We guys all agreed that Good Old Robby remained Good Old Robby with the following stipulations: (1) He would not tell us what he did on Saturday Nights, and we would not tell him. (2) We would still hunt and fish together as usual. But, if he made a pass at any one of us, we got to shoot him in the butt with birdshot at a range of fifty yards.
Worked out well. Sadly, my Good Old kinsman died of AIDS in 1995. I came home on Leave to sit with him when he passed. By then, he had found the Lord and he had repented. So he lives in Glory forever.
The_Great_Black President almost 3 years ago
Way to go Lawrence. You got the whole world figured out; everybody else is confused. Donât blame yourself for anything. It is always everybody elseâs fault. Worked for me for eight years.
The Pro from Dover almost 3 years ago
What a difference time makes. When this first was printed there were world headlines. Condemnation from conservative politicians and religious groups. Unless I missed something this kind of snuck up on us. I didnât see one thing about it anywhere.
jymnandjen almost 3 years ago
Awesome
hooglah almost 3 years ago
Leave the little faggot alone. He likes it a different way.
khjalmarj almost 3 years ago
Kudos to Johnston and GoComics for running this arc! I donât think I saw it in its original run: I think the paper I read in Reno at the time substituted reruns. Good to see this!
MuddyUSA Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Lawrence must have strong feelings for Mike?
Allan CB Premium Member almost 3 years ago
In Ojibwe (and indeed, many North American Aboriginal tribes), we have multiple genders. 5 or 7.
Two of our âalternativeâ genders in Ojibwe are:
Ojibwe: ikwekaazo, âMen who chose to function as womenâ / âone who endeavors to be like a womanâ.
Ojibwe: ininiikaazo, âWomen who functioned as menâ / âone who endeavors to be like a manâ
EXCALABUR almost 3 years ago
God created a man and a woman, He was NOT confused.
StackableContainers almost 3 years ago
From my experience, any reaction where the relationship isnât ended is good one. If the person you come out doesnât cut you out of their lives (or threaten to), they just have to take a little time to process the information. The times where the other person hugs you and says they still love you are the best. The times where the other person says, âDuh, Iâve know that for a long timeâ or âIâve been wondering when youâd come out.â are funny when you think about them later.
USN1977 almost 3 years ago
Not sure if this was the intent of todayâs strip, but Lawrence came across as a know-it-all in the last panel.
John Jorgensen almost 3 years ago
Wow, the conversationâs actually being advanced today. Michael even used the word âgay,â albeit prefaced with "Youâre not . . . " Based on Fridayâs and Saturdayâs strips and the first panel of todayâs, I kind of expected weâd be beating around the bush all week.
By the way I made this comment in a separate thread because the other one immediately started talking about things that have nothing to do with this strip. Normally I wouldnât start a new thread but the other oneâs looking pretty hopeless for anyone who actually wants to talk about what they came here to read.
mindjob almost 3 years ago
At least he knows heâs gay, some wonât acknowledge that until they are much older
rebelstrike0 almost 3 years ago
Wonder if Lawrence spoke to Calvin? Sounds a lot like one of Calvinâs rants to himself one miserable day when he was waiting for the bus to school.
Calvin: âI hate having to do this; I hate all of this! I wish I was dead.â
Calvin takes a moment to ponder that
Calvin: âWell, no, not really about the last partâŠâ
Calvin: ââŠI wish everybody else were dead!â
Miguelito52 almost 3 years ago
I knowâŠ.I knowâŠ.these are reruns. But I look for laughs. Not Days Of Our Lives.
198.23.5.11 almost 3 years ago
Hey,Ellyâs Mother hasnât died yet.Thatâs when it REALLY gets serious.
Lawrence survived thereveal" with nothing worse than a stomachache,and so will we.
kennnyp almost 3 years ago
Yikes! âŠBe careful Lynn⊠This might be read by Governor in FloridaâŠand Goodness Knows you canât say the wordâgayâ in FLA⊠the sky might fall in and you will be arrested and thrown into one of their sink holesâŠ.. (come to think of itâŠthe Gov. of FLA⊠probably crawled out of one of those sink holesâŠ.)
BearHamilton1 almost 3 years ago
I didnât choose to be gay. If I had a choice, I wouldnât be gay. No one chooses to be gay. Let me repeat that: NO ONE CHOOSES TO BE GAY! Why would anyone choose derision, ostracization, bullying, abuse or the confusion leading up to coming out? Why would anyone choose a path that involves âcoming outâ in the first place? Nobody, thatâs who. Imagine growing up in the military with a Marine Corps Dad and a New England school teacher Mom. When I discovered who and what I was, I was horrified. My HS classmates knew, and called me unimaginable names, and said horrible things to me. I was in denial. I didnât WANT to be gay. In college, I came out to myself and was terrified that friends or family would find out. This was in the Eighties, when gay jokes were accepted, gay bashing was a common story and AIDS was rearing itâs ugly head. Yeah, sure, keep thinking it was and is a choice.
kamoolah almost 3 years ago
Lawrence may have same-sex attractions, but that does not make him âgayâ. You must..
Dress a certain wayâŠ
Act a certain wayâŠ
Vote for whom I sayâŠ
âŠto be gay.
Drag0nr1der almost 3 years ago
Good for you Lawrence!
bryan42 almost 3 years ago
I looks like my question a couple weeks ago to the effect of, âis this the same Lawrenceâ was well timed but if Iâd just bided my time the answer would have been revealed.
Lightpainter almost 3 years ago
Gay, not gay, no problem for me. The ones that I donât understand are the people who donât want to be identified as male or female. Guess what, you ARE one or the other!!
baraktorvan almost 3 years ago
I would dance with my female friends without a problem, and sit out the slow dances. Until of course my first boyfriend, where we would dance on our own on the sides until we were pulled in to dance with everyone else. After that event at Homecoming in 1984 (yes, I know that seems a bit early for the acceptance and welcome, but is history for me), every time any dance happened, we were photographed together (as opposed to a group), danced every dance together, and never once had any bullying or insults thrown our way at all.
cranefriend almost 3 years ago
By âEveryoneâ he probably means newspaper comic readers, considering how angry some people get at this storyline, then and now.
edeloriea14 almost 3 years ago
Sexual orientation is a serious matter. It will take some time for Lawrence (and everyone else) to come to terms with his homosexuality. Itâs mostly all about being human.
mikendi almost 3 years ago
Just live and let liveâŠ
Uncle Joe almost 3 years ago
Over 100 newspapers refused to run this cartoon. 29 years later & intolerant jerks are still with us.
Still, one of the all time greatest cartoon moments.
bobwigg761 almost 3 years ago
My personal take on all of this comes down to your Genes (âBaked Inâ) and your Environment (Learned, Taught, Exposed to)
Everything can be broken down to either or both.
For Example:
1) Hair Color = Genes*
2) Gender = Genes
3) Sexual Preference = Genes
4) Gender you identify with = Genes
5) Religion = Environment
6) Life Expectancy = a combination of both**
*You can choose to change your hair color, but the âbaked-inâ color is still there underneath.
**You can live a healthy lifestyle (environment), and still die prematurely due to a genetic predisposition to a disease (genes).
sousamannd almost 3 years ago
insanity is beginning to rule more and more these days.