Arlo and Janis by Jimmy Johnson for December 09, 2024

BRILLIANT! Love it!

Yes, Windows is usual Microsoft-programming! Linux can do the same but uses far less memory.

If I must use Windows, I’m sticking with Win 10 until 2032

Every time I see Voyager discussed, I’m reminded of the bald woman in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) who called Voyager I V’Ger because the ‘oya’ in Voyager was rubbed off its hull. ;-)

The Voyagers were probably helped along by aliens.

For typical windows 10 user, Oct 2025.

It’s not about memory, Arlo, but trying to force people to buy new computers they don’t need.

I’m sure this computer will run Windows 11, but it never offers it – mind you it is running Linux Mint which is the only OS it has installed. It is the first time I’ve brought a PC without either Windows or putting Windows on.

If you are just using the PC for web browsing, simple word processing, spreadsheets and email and PC isn’t Windows 11 compatible – then I suggest getting a USB pen drive and trying Linux Mint ( Cinnamon or Mate ) live USB/CD before spending money on new PC.

Gaming – investigate Stream Linux

I have plenty of memory. I remember when programmers tested their changes before putting them into production. The other day windows 11 offered to update from 23H2 to 24H2. So I updated. I was in file explorer and there are 3 dots along the top that gives you more options, one of which is “select all”. In 23H2 when you click on the 3 dots the options are listed from where the cursor is going down. In 24H2 when I clicked on the 3 dots the menu was listed from where the cursor was going up! So I couldn’t do a “select all” since it disappeared above the top of my display. Who was the JA that programmed that? I’m back to 23H2.

Never accept their upgrades

It’s not much of a laptop by current standards if it has less than 4Gb of memory, the minimum requirement for Windows 11. It’s likely time for a new computer anyhow.

I upgraded to 16G memory when I bought my last laptop two years ago. It’s the single biggest improvement you can make, but not all laptops can take a huge upgrade depending on how old they are and how many slots they have. And it’s an inexpensive upgrade, all things considered.

My current home build may or may not meet the TPM version requirement for Windows 11, but I don’t care. I’ve got secure boot turned off in my UEFI setup. My old laptop uses the Intel graphics in a 4th gen Core i5.

Windows 10 persistently broke the graphics of a previous tower build that used 4th gen Intel graphics. Forced-updates to an incompatible driver. I’ve since rebuilt it to 11th gen Core i5, but wouldn’t dream of going back to Windows.

I’ve considered Windows malware and sworn off all things Microsoft since then. Loving my Linux experience.

Planned obsolescence is what allows some companies to thrive, especially when they can use the buzz phrase “We won’t be supporting the item you have any more after next year, you’ll have to buy a new one.” The Voyager satellites simply don’t fall in that “We won’t be supporting” category since it’s not such a simple matter of replacing them. I find it pretty amazing just how well the tech industry can support older versions of equipment and software when it’s in their best interest to do so.

Jimmy must be spying on my parents. Dad gets the same crap from Microsoft.

Memory Half Full by Paul Mccartney

I hate planned obsolescence. None of my three perfectly functioning computers can run windows 11. A new computer purchase is required.

More features don’t make a program smaller.

I do video editing so 32GB of RAM minimum. But I remember back in the day when I was in Basic Class on Apple IIe,iirc, the instructor said it had 64KB of RAM and we would never ever need more than that!! LOL! Reminds me of Popular Mechanics saying computers would never be less than 4 TONS.

Ahhh, I LOVE my Apple Mac. It’s very easy to upgrade the OS. One big drawback is my wife doesn’t always like the “upgrades”. She likes the look and feel of the older stuff. Me, on the other hand, likes new stuff so I enjoy the new features. Now, going back to Voyager, I am SUPER amazed at how they continue to function.

I have 11 on a new laptop, don’t like the fact they changed the interface just because they could. If they provided the option to stay on the classic interface I wouldn’t care. Since they didn’t not happy.

It’s amazing they are still up there and communicating! I’m impressed!

My wife is looking at a new laptop before the tariffs kick in, but her job isn’t migrating to win11 until next replacement cycle. So, maybe it just sits in the box for a while. The win7 computer in the great room still runs movies okay.

The Voyagers continue to amaze as do the team of scientists who oversee them and work out ways to overcome limitations of low available power and ancient computers and other equipment on the crafts. P.S.: still using my Macbook 2014, no issues.

Yeah, my PC won’t download Windows 11 either.

Or get a new laptop or computer yourself!

The first Star Trek movie had everyone concerned over an approaching force that threatened to destroy all carbon based life. It was V Ger. Come to find out, it was Voyager returning to earth with all the intelligence that the universe has to offer.

My laptop is still Windows 7 and I have no problems doing what I want to (which isn’t all that much). My desktop is Windows 10 and the TPM won’t let me upgrade so I’m not sure what, if anything, I’ll do next.

My Janis’ favorite saying… They can put a man on the moon and bring him back, but they can’t make a redlight system that doesn’t stop 20 or 30 cars for one car turning right anyway.

Jimmy, you knocked it out of the park today!!!!!!!!

Yes, we used a lot of vacuum tubes to get to the moon…

Windows 3.1 was small, like a row boat. Windows 11 is like the Seawise Giant, HUGE, the biggest ship ever built. And most of it is not necessary.

Once you go Mac, you will never go back.

There was less than 70k of memory on each Voyager. External storage was on digital tape.

I sometimes get out of memory errors with 32gb. VM has been around since before 1970. Windows has been around since 1985 and they STILL can’t get VM right.

Leaving the Windows discussion for a moment, let’s concentrate on the other 3 panels. While the Voyager spacecraft have been traveling for 47 years it will take another 10s of thousands of years to be near (if you consider 6 trillion miles or more near) any star. Their communications with Earth will stop sometime in the next 10 years because the RTG (radioactive plutonium-238) will not produce enough heat to keep the electronics working.

Let’s give a big hand of applause to those NASA engineers who hat the foresight to think ahead!

heck all you people are only on windows 10 and 11 i am on windows 98 already

Microsoft’s stock answer when something doesn’t work!

Great – I’m still aggravated that I had to downgrade from Vista to 10…….

NASA is advertising for a software engineer with Assembly and Fortran for the Voyager project

So, I go way back. I was punching holes in those IBM cards around 1970 and took a FORTRAN class in 71. You make a wrong punch anywhere and you start over. I then took classes in PASCAL, IBM Assembler, COBOL, Adv BASIC. Spent 3 years writing Assembler code for a Programmable Machine Tool company (Lathes and Mill/Drills). Wrote a huge PASCAL program for a bank check sorter of which maybe 2-4 were actually sold and used. Spent time during 1999 going over and maybe fixing lots of bank and corporate code for the Y2K program and spent the last several years of my ‘career’ fixing MS update issues (post update) at various GM facilities around Detroit. And I am still amazed at how the Voyager missions are still functioning. Think what it would cost and how much time it would take today to even repeat that accomplishment.

can some one tell me how farm equipment can set broken down in the field and a tech has to come to the site to fix it, but an old space craft can be keep working with out being touched I want that warranty.

Voyagers I and II are using his laptop’s memory.

Count yourself lucky! No one should install Windows 11. What a mess! (From my dear ol’ Windows 7 system.)

MacOS, Linux, UNIX: the OS’s of people who want to get REAL work done. Nuff said.

I’m a doctor, not a programmer! The only language I learned was BASIC.

He obviously doesn’t have enough brains to not use Windows

apparently, data expands to fill all available memory. (kinda like junk in the garage.) When I first started coding (we called it programming) we wrote usable programs in less than 2k of RAM.

He forgot to add memory

Wise Choice!!!