In classical logic, a hypothetical syllogism is a valid argument form, a syllogism with a conditional statement for one or both of its premises.
An example in English:
If I do not wake up, then I cannot go to work.
If I cannot go to work, then I will not get paid.
Therefore, if I do not wake up, then I will not get paid.
In this case, we have:
If Da Vinci painted, then it was not a nude.
If Michelangelo painted, then it was probably a nude.
This one is not working for me. It has nude and painting in common, but I am not getting the syllogism. Besides all that, “David” was a sculpture and not a painting.
Is this till going on? And why didn’t Bernice raise her objections before putting on that Mono Lisa Rig? Of course if Nil had explained the “joke” before hand there wouldn’t be all this childish bantering. Sometimes I think Greg treats her readers like slow 13 year old.
Hypothetical = based on a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation
Syllogism = an instance or form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn (whether or not validly) from two given or assumed propositions (premises), each of which shares a term with the conclusion, and shares a common or middle term not present in the conclusion (e.g., all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs).
So it would appear that Nils doesn’t really appreciate daVinci’s Mona Lisa, and wishes to deprecate it by mockery. His reasoning is to infer that its model was staring at another model of the sort favored by a different artist of the same period. Hence Nils invokes crude sexual innuendo. His logic cannot really proceed to investigate his hypothesis to validate it, hence his artistic statement must be targeted at the sensibilities of potential modern viewers. Is it worth the embarrassed giggle it may invoke? Is this story arc worth the embarrassment it depicts? Has it added anything new to the readers’ appreciation of its characters? I wouldn’t think so.
You have to love Nil also for his ability to say intelligent things that silence Bernice and leave her confused. But I’m sure Nil loves her too exactly because she has no problem telling him his art projects look silly to her. For me their relationship is really perfect and I hope they’ll get back together as a couple too. Maybe Jack will help them with that someway.
Da Vinci painted at least one female nude I can think of off the top of my head Leda and the Swan and he sure drew (OK not painted) a lot of male ones for his, err, anatomy studies…
Nils work has never focused on visual realism. Of course that doesn’t mean he can’t do it. Picasso had a great talent for visual realism (I’m saying that in a way I think readers may understand. In reality all art is abstract, even photography. But people tend to call work they can immediately visualize “realism” without realizing the abstract elements.). However Picasso thought, “He*l, if this is what somebody wants, let ’em buy a camera. I want to show more than that.”
So David is well known as a work of art with a disproportionately small “Schwanzstucker” (as opposed to the one in Young Frankenstein). What does this say about Jack?
A sardonic hypothetical syllogism? That doesn’t make sense even for an artist. If the premises are sardonically hypothetical, then the conclusion is soberly pragmatic nonsense.
Commenters today have been pointing out that Nil’s claim that Da Vinci never painted a nude is incorrect. True enough, but as we have seen previously, Nil just resorts to blither when discussing art. That’s good enough for an “A” in Zebu’s class.
SPOCK: Surely you must have realized what would happen if you removed the tribbles from their predator-filled environment into an environment where their natural multiplicative proclivities would have no restraining factors.
Put your robe back on, Wonder Boy, you’re insulting everyone, male, female, trans-female, trans-male, lesbians, gay guys, Rue Paul, Elliott Page…….. and Caitlin Jenner is more than ready to knock your ugly block off.
Meanwhile, back in today’s reality insanity, a Tallahassee principal is out of a job because of an art lesson that included a photograph ::gasp:: of Michelangelo’s “David”.
Those of you that are offended by the comic…please remember that GoComics has dozens of other strips you can choose from. Plus you can also edit your “MyComics” list to exclude any strips you find unappealing.
Templo S.U.D. almost 2 years ago
In other words, Nil’s piece is…?
alasko almost 2 years ago
Brush them off Bern!
Doneaver almost 2 years ago
Well brush them off Nil.
J. Scarbrough almost 2 years ago
This seems to provide some fodder for some of the more “imaginative” comments from yesterday that maybe Nil has some interest in Jack . . . maybe.
outonalimb almost 2 years ago
Has Nil dazzled Bernice with logic or …?
Last Rose Of Summer Premium Member almost 2 years ago
At least one day too many on this arc. Is there a point to all this?
ronaldspence almost 2 years ago
spilly on the willy
Calliope almost 2 years ago
But da Vinci did draw the Vitruvian Man.
So I really have no idea what point Nil is trying to make here.
howtheduck almost 2 years ago
In classical logic, a hypothetical syllogism is a valid argument form, a syllogism with a conditional statement for one or both of its premises.
An example in English:
If I do not wake up, then I cannot go to work.
If I cannot go to work, then I will not get paid.
Therefore, if I do not wake up, then I will not get paid.
In this case, we have:
If Da Vinci painted, then it was not a nude.
If Michelangelo painted, then it was probably a nude.
This one is not working for me. It has nude and painting in common, but I am not getting the syllogism. Besides all that, “David” was a sculpture and not a painting.
Joe1962 almost 2 years ago
Nil your logic falls flat.
beb01 almost 2 years ago
Is this till going on? And why didn’t Bernice raise her objections before putting on that Mono Lisa Rig? Of course if Nil had explained the “joke” before hand there wouldn’t be all this childish bantering. Sometimes I think Greg treats her readers like slow 13 year old.
ProclaimLiberty almost 2 years ago
Sardonic = grimly mocking or cynical
Hypothetical = based on a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation
Syllogism = an instance or form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn (whether or not validly) from two given or assumed propositions (premises), each of which shares a term with the conclusion, and shares a common or middle term not present in the conclusion (e.g., all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs).
So it would appear that Nils doesn’t really appreciate daVinci’s Mona Lisa, and wishes to deprecate it by mockery. His reasoning is to infer that its model was staring at another model of the sort favored by a different artist of the same period. Hence Nils invokes crude sexual innuendo. His logic cannot really proceed to investigate his hypothesis to validate it, hence his artistic statement must be targeted at the sensibilities of potential modern viewers. Is it worth the embarrassed giggle it may invoke? Is this story arc worth the embarrassment it depicts? Has it added anything new to the readers’ appreciation of its characters? I wouldn’t think so.
reedkomicks Premium Member almost 2 years ago
How is it that Jacks robe is on in panel one, and off in panel 3?
TwilightFaze almost 2 years ago
Those aren’t crumbs, Nil…
rshive almost 2 years ago
But will Nil’s painting satisfy the critics?
Aladar30 Premium Member almost 2 years ago
You have to love Nil also for his ability to say intelligent things that silence Bernice and leave her confused. But I’m sure Nil loves her too exactly because she has no problem telling him his art projects look silly to her. For me their relationship is really perfect and I hope they’ll get back together as a couple too. Maybe Jack will help them with that someway.
Mordock999 Premium Member almost 2 years ago
I’m curious as to what Nil’s “art” would look like if he were influenced by Max Ernst, Picasso or Salvador Dali.
ACTIVIST1234 almost 2 years ago
Betcha not only does Nil get an A+ on this piece but that he becomes a campus hero.
He would, at least, in a four-year school that loves to mock the establishment. Community college, maybe not.Judy Hendrickson [Unnamed Reader - 852856] almost 2 years ago
This guy nil is one weird dude!!!
Sisyphos almost 2 years ago
Please, Nil, concentrate on bamboozling Bernie and let Jack snack in peace! Bernie’ll wipe his crumbs away if need be….
Johnnyrico almost 2 years ago
Hey Jack….. how many of those things are you going to eat??
matjestaet almost 2 years ago
Nil is mistaken. Leonardo DID paint nudes.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Study_for_the_Kneeling_Leda.jpg/800px-Study_for_the_Kneeling_Leda.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Da_Vinci_Vitruve_Luc_Viatour.jpg/800px-Da_Vinci_Vitruve_Luc_Viatour.jpg
windfinder almost 2 years ago
Nil’s next painting combination will be The Thinker and Venus
Kidon Ha-Shomer almost 2 years ago
Will Bern give Jack the brush off??? Stay tuned for the next thrilling installment.!!!
kenhense almost 2 years ago
This arc is fading out.
kkinney almost 2 years ago
So, am I the only one (haven’t been following comments) who think this might be a ruse on Nil’s part to get a look at Jack?
tremaine53 almost 2 years ago
“Thanks for noticing, Nil. Hey, wait a minute!”
jrankin1959 almost 2 years ago
Obviously, Nil never saw daVinci’s Vitruvian Man.
Denver Reader Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Why did he disrobe between panels 1 & 3?
ehenwood almost 2 years ago
Da Vinci painted at least one female nude I can think of off the top of my head Leda and the Swan and he sure drew (OK not painted) a lot of male ones for his, err, anatomy studies…
LawrenceS almost 2 years ago
Nils work has never focused on visual realism. Of course that doesn’t mean he can’t do it. Picasso had a great talent for visual realism (I’m saying that in a way I think readers may understand. In reality all art is abstract, even photography. But people tend to call work they can immediately visualize “realism” without realizing the abstract elements.). However Picasso thought, “He*l, if this is what somebody wants, let ’em buy a camera. I want to show more than that.”
Stephanie Have one almost 2 years ago
I am so loving this!!
chris_o42 almost 2 years ago
Now it all makes sense!
ctolson almost 2 years ago
And he doesn’t have a beard that the crumbs are catching on – in – whatever.
Droptma Styx almost 2 years ago
You don’t have to put them in the painting, Nil.
R.W.Singer -SF almost 2 years ago
It all makes sense now….Nils is gay. How did I miss this before?
Ellis97 almost 2 years ago
Bernice is really turned on by this whole situation.
luann1212 almost 2 years ago
Played for laughs and don’t forget the ubiquitous misdirection play though. What longer term affect does this have on the main character?
Lescoe Brandon almost 2 years ago
Well, at least it’s not custard filling on the package.
eced52 almost 2 years ago
So that’s what that’s for. A crumb catcher.
Kenmazing almost 2 years ago
So David is well known as a work of art with a disproportionately small “Schwanzstucker” (as opposed to the one in Young Frankenstein). What does this say about Jack?
Bookworm almost 2 years ago
A sardonic hypothetical syllogism? That doesn’t make sense even for an artist. If the premises are sardonically hypothetical, then the conclusion is soberly pragmatic nonsense.
preacherman Premium Member almost 2 years ago
So, your vision will have Mona’s head on Jack’s body. Or, Mona in the background ogling Jack’s body in the foreground. Interesting.
DawnQuinn1 almost 2 years ago
Let Bern clean off the crumbs. lol
dlaemmerhirt999 almost 2 years ago
CRUMBS ON THE SNAUSAGE! (This has been fun. <3)
Tammy Kennedy almost 2 years ago
um, da vinci drew nudes…. quite a few
LeeBrenneison almost 2 years ago
WRONG Nil..VITRUVIAN MAN & Leda are a couple of Di Vinci nudes.
Stewbeef almost 2 years ago
I think Nil meant “You have crabs”
phlash almost 2 years ago
Vitruvian Man is mostly nude
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 2 years ago
All is clear.
(Crummy but clear.)
MuddyUSA Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Well so far I got nothing……..
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Commenters today have been pointing out that Nil’s claim that Da Vinci never painted a nude is incorrect. True enough, but as we have seen previously, Nil just resorts to blither when discussing art. That’s good enough for an “A” in Zebu’s class.
Liam Astle Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Blow off the crumbs.
jltjake66 almost 2 years ago
Man…this arc has really gone off the rails…
Chuck374 almost 2 years ago
Speaking the proper language to each assistant. Perhaps Bern will be able to get more into the part based on this.
BuckarooDave almost 2 years ago
please note: “Vitruvian Man”, cited here so often as counter to Nil’s statement about DaVinci, is a drawing , NOT a painting.
The Quiet One almost 2 years ago
Whatever you say Nil.
beachlvr Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Bernice looks good in this outfit and hair color. I suggest she get a style change. Goth suits her.
Fuzzy Kombu almost 2 years ago
Sardonic hypothetical syllogisms are just all over the place these days.
RSH almost 2 years ago
Bern may have thought she was the master of complex words; looks like Nil has her beat. They are meant for each other.
Angry Indeed Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Looks like Jack is eating a candy bar or maybe a Cliff bar, Yesterday I said it looked like an éclair, C’est la vie.
kittysquared Premium Member almost 2 years ago
This arc devolved into bulls#*t.
jrankin1959 almost 2 years ago
A sardonic hypothetical syllogism, eh? Well…
SPOCK: Surely you must have realized what would happen if you removed the tribbles from their predator-filled environment into an environment where their natural multiplicative proclivities would have no restraining factors.
CYRANO JONES: Well, of cour — what did you say?
( The Trouble With Tribbles, Star Trek TOS)
BuckarooDave almost 2 years ago
hmmm … looks like about 20 or more comments vanished! =:-O
nightflight almost 2 years ago
Put your robe back on, Wonder Boy, you’re insulting everyone, male, female, trans-female, trans-male, lesbians, gay guys, Rue Paul, Elliott Page…….. and Caitlin Jenner is more than ready to knock your ugly block off.
rrsltx almost 2 years ago
I would agree with the “R” rating, R for ridiculous.
cmxx almost 2 years ago
Dear oh dearie me. What will the people who don’t know the difference between sarcastic and ironic do, now that sardonic has entered the mix?
cmxx almost 2 years ago
Meanwhile, back in today’s reality insanity, a Tallahassee principal is out of a job because of an art lesson that included a photograph ::gasp:: of Michelangelo’s “David”.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/23/tallahassee-classical-school-principal-forced-out-after-david-art-lesson/
anonymooseandsquirrel Premium Member almost 2 years ago
In related news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/24/tallahassee-principal-fired-david-art-controversy/
TonysSon almost 2 years ago
Those of you that are offended by the comic…please remember that GoComics has dozens of other strips you can choose from. Plus you can also edit your “MyComics” list to exclude any strips you find unappealing.
57-Don almost 2 years ago
Da Vinci’s Vitruvian Man is nude
Ayy Ess. almost 2 years ago
Umm, so Nil and Jack gonna be together? Would be fun to watch what it does to Bernice’s stupid smug face then.