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Hmm, Bets is doing things LuAnn and Bernie donât like, and are now being judgemental of her posture and perceived attitude. Do ya think G&K are possibly saying something to their readers?
Bernie? No. No double standards here. And stop pulling the psychology card. You are not one yet and you observed the same thing Luann did and described quite similarly so there is no of that âkeenly observedâ stuff. Itâs been established that Bets is controlling and dominant by us the readers. Some readers are not concerned but I am so I wonder if you two will do something about it? You and Luann are looking at Bets in the picture and âobservingâ how she is posing (Iâd call it posturing). You both reached the same conclusion. Now, eyes on Gunther. See anything about him? Do you see âhelpâ in his eyes??
So yaâll think that Bets is pushy, bossy and controlling too, eh?
Well Luann should THANK her lucky stars that HER Date Pic dates WALKED instead of hanging around, least she too be in the vile clutches of some Servant of the Devil!
For verily I say unto to you that all phones (Especially Samsungâs) are âPossessedâ and truly Instruments of Satan!
So ladies, Give Thanks to your good fortunes while saying a a little prayer for poor Gunther, Dionne Warwick Style! And Les should join the Priesthood in gratitude that even the daughter of Beelzebub couldnât STAND Him!
And ALL SMASH those H3LL Spawn communication implements with a blessed cinder block!
In the meantime, Iâll pass the collection plates!
âGlory Hallelujah! They SAW the LIGHT!â â Hank Williams
No ladies, itâs not being judgy, itâs being observant and being in agreement. Luann made the observation about Bets body language, bernice made a wrong assessment but when shown visual proof of the observation, she was in agreement. I think Luann was giving bernice a hard time in return for bernice giving her a hard time. And what Luann has been doing, bernice, is called transference.
Aggressive, dominant and controlling? Sounds like Luannâs friend Tara when they are hanging out. Bets may be the alpha in her dynamic with Gunther but wasnât Rosa as well for that matter. Gunther needs to assert himself more but I hope Luann does not meddle with his relationship with BetsâŠ..
So, I think Team E is helping us realize that what we have been thinking about Bets is what other people in cartoon land are thinking too. I am reminded of when Bernice was dating Derick (yâall remember him?). I think I remembered reading that Greg created him because he couldnât destroy one of his already established characters.
If Bets and Gunther are at a Con doing cosplay, they are supposed to be in character. Bets is supposed to be a hero/villain and both would be dominating/aggressive/controlling. Gunther needs to get in character.
I do find it a bit strange that Luann is obsessing over these posts. Unless the point is that Bets is posting so much that her pictures have flooded Luannâs social media.
neither of these girls have a boyfriend so what we see here is nothing but jealousy. Gun and Bet are out creating an exciting life together and the two stay at homes are having trouble adjusting to that reality. Especially Guntherâs transformation into Gun. Gunther was also the quiet nerd kid who was a safe male friend for the girls. Now, Gun is exciting. Yep, they are having a hard time adjusting to Gunâs exciting life.
Finally two of Guntherâs oldest friends have noticed that something is wrong. Now I wonder what they will do. Try to ask Gunther if he has some problems with Bets? Continuing at looking for evidence by involving others (like Tiffany and Les) in the investigation? Wait and see what will happen? For now, Bravo Luann that has noticed.
Making a fine point. Bernice is indeed making an observation about body language and not taking that step forward to assign the appearance to the person. Luann is being (mildly) judgmental in that she is assigning a characteristic to an observation. Bets may show other body language that is not possessed and bossy.
That being said. Luann is probably correct in this case.
Anyone expecting Gunther to be aggressive is in fantasy land. Remember when Luann was on Guntherâs bed and their lips were almost touching, he was afraid to kiss her. If Luann kissed Gunther, there would have been fireworks and Greg would have had to censure the scrip
Also, when kids grow up together they rarely develop romantic interest with each other and tend to look elsewhere for romance
the problem is Betts loves the attention and gunther is not so sure about it. That she is unaware of his discomfort is the problem with the relationship.
Great, instead of being happy for him, his âfriendsâ are thinking up ways to let him know that this girl isnât right for him. Canât simply mind their own business.
Bern has it down-playing off responsibility with âprofessional observationâ. Sheâs ready to start getting paid to screw up other peopleâs lives eg. a therapist.
Bernice you claim to being âprofessionalâ when YOU are analysing Betts in those instagram-like pictures. 1) you arenât a professional-yet. 2) in any case insât you criticizing Luannâs observations,then making the same yourself, the pot calling the kettle black?
Hilarity ensues in how the last panel is the laugh line to the first two (too early, canât remember the actual theatrical term), and using the interplay between two old friends who make the observation is really great. What it means? Well perhaps not really that much between Luann and Bernice, altnough Luann needs to see the obvious in terms of possible relationship-JackâIMHO, but the it is a comment on the dynamic between Bets who is dominant in the relationship with Gunther, who is submissive? I am not so sure about that, but Gunther will react at some point; how remains a question.
Wondering if this posting, viewing, commenting will continue, or will there be a really bad post. Will we go back to the action, or find ourselves in another Luanniverse. Please.
Luann is IMO being a bit âjudgyâ as Bernice suggests. For me, this has been shown by her words today (âGeezâ) and at other times over the last few days. And, as Bernice is suggesting by her rather neutral facial expressions todayâŠ. her statement about her body language being aggressive, dominant, and controlling does read as if she is speaking only of her visual observations of what Luann is showing her.
I tend to see Bernice as not having any particular stake in the Bets-Gun relationship⊠so her observations do seem to be mostly thatâŠ. observations. Luann seems to have other motivations than just observation.
SoâŠ. what will ensue (besides âhillarityâ)?
1. Perhaps Luann in the lead and Bernice as âwingmanâ will go to the event and confront Bets?
2. Perhaps Luann as starter and Bernice as observer will go and try to âcounselâ Gunther into how he is being âmanipluatedâ by Bets?
3. Perhaps Luann will start her own channel on social media to try to âout-Betsâ Bets at her own media game?
Not really sure. Probably none of the above⊠but I have no other ideas at this point.
âPoor baby, All alone. Throw a hungry dog a bone, itâs still a bone. Weâre the only tenderness heâs ever known. Poor babyâŠâ - Stephen Sondheim. âCompanyâ
Thanks Bernice for pointing out that significant difference. I was feeling guilty about being so judgy since I know itâs wrong. Now I can justify my vehement opposition to our Commander in Sleaze as just me being keenly observant of his flaws which have always been obvious to me.
Oh God! All these characters are insufferable! Gunther, for claiming to be a ânice guyâ (if you have to say you are one, you are definitely not a nice guy). Bets, for spending time with Gunther; what a mistake, he may end up stalking her and sending her creepy texts late at night. Luann, for being so naĂŻve all the time, and caring more about what other people think than about looking after her own needs. And finally, Bernice! She sounds like a moron! She didnât learn this body language sh-t in class, she learned it from playing around on the internet! That sh-t isnât what you learn in psychology courses. But at least the internet tests can tell you what Hogwarts house you belong to. So, letâs check in on Knute! Frazz is a janitor, too, and Knute is bound to be a better hero than him!
Without getting too philosophical (or psychological) here â if women are drawn to men like their fathers, and men are drawn to women like their mothers â what does this say about Bets and Guntherâs relationship? Guntherâs mother is extremely dominant and controlling; so it Bets. So you have to wonder if Betâs father is a push-over, so thatâs what sheâs subconsciously looking for in a man, i.e. someone she can control, because thatâs how things are supposed to be. I could be wrong. Maybe this is a match made in heaven after all. But I doubt it. Iâd rather see Gunther grow a pair and ditch the chick and find someone who will bring out his manliness, not try to tie it to a bedpost. Oh, and I refuse to use âGun.â Itâs a silly attempt at power and control on Betâs part, as if Guntherâs own name isnât quite good enough for her.
Yeah, right Bernice! YOUâRE not a snarky, judgemental cow with an over inflated sense of her own superiority, not YOU! (heavy, heavy sarcasm here, in case anyone missed it.)
I donât like Bets. I never have. I canât help it. I would like to admire her for being assertive, confident and creative, but Iâm having trouble seeing past the bossy and possessive.
Templo S.U.D. about 5 years ago
Luannâs definitions of âbossyâ and âobservingâ sure are different compared to those of Bernice.
AnyFace about 5 years ago
Canât entirely disagree with the observations. âš
Cheapskate0 about 5 years ago
Okay. So, instead of inspiring Luann to do something about her life (assuming sheâs unhappy with it), now weâre turning on Bernice.
Most of all, it does look like a week of Sunday strips with Lu and Bern doing nothing but stare at her phone.
Emphasis on their doing nothing.
SactoSylvia about 5 years ago
Now that was annoying! Yup, looking at you, Bernice!
Chocolate about 5 years ago
Just wait until Bernice gets into studying the depths of Abnormal Psychology. Sometimes âHelloâ just means helloâŠ. not anymore.
Rhetorical_Question about 5 years ago
Dr Bernice Halper has a spoken. Luann had a laymanâs opinion.It is time to move on to the next arc.
SJhapamama about 5 years ago
Here we goâŠagain! G&K, surprise us, please???
Namrepus about 5 years ago
If they were any more judgy, their names would be Judy.
ericbrower about 5 years ago
Hmm, Bets is doing things LuAnn and Bernie donât like, and are now being judgemental of her posture and perceived attitude. Do ya think G&K are possibly saying something to their readers?
Brdshtt Premium Member about 5 years ago
Ah, the old double standardsâŠ
capricorn9th about 5 years ago
Bernie? No. No double standards here. And stop pulling the psychology card. You are not one yet and you observed the same thing Luann did and described quite similarly so there is no of that âkeenly observedâ stuff. Itâs been established that Bets is controlling and dominant by us the readers. Some readers are not concerned but I am so I wonder if you two will do something about it? You and Luann are looking at Bets in the picture and âobservingâ how she is posing (Iâd call it posturing). You both reached the same conclusion. Now, eyes on Gunther. See anything about him? Do you see âhelpâ in his eyes??
someguy3 about 5 years ago
Damn, where was Bernice when I was singleâŠ
My kinda gal.
BJShipley1 about 5 years ago
I honestly find it hard to imagine that anyone would want to be friends with Bernice. Could her hypocrisy be any more transparent?
Ruth Brown about 5 years ago
We are in the black hole of time again: this conversation will probably take 2 weeks to complete.
Mordock999 Premium Member about 5 years ago
Ah-Haaaaa!
So yaâll think that Bets is pushy, bossy and controlling too, eh?
Well Luann should THANK her lucky stars that HER Date Pic dates WALKED instead of hanging around, least she too be in the vile clutches of some Servant of the Devil!
For verily I say unto to you that all phones (Especially Samsungâs) are âPossessedâ and truly Instruments of Satan!
So ladies, Give Thanks to your good fortunes while saying a a little prayer for poor Gunther, Dionne Warwick Style! And Les should join the Priesthood in gratitude that even the daughter of Beelzebub couldnât STAND Him!
And ALL SMASH those H3LL Spawn communication implements with a blessed cinder block!
In the meantime, Iâll pass the collection plates!
âGlory Hallelujah! They SAW the LIGHT!â â Hank Williams
Robin Harwood about 5 years ago
Whatâs wrong with being judgy?
gnmnrbl about 5 years ago
No ladies, itâs not being judgy, itâs being observant and being in agreement. Luann made the observation about Bets body language, bernice made a wrong assessment but when shown visual proof of the observation, she was in agreement. I think Luann was giving bernice a hard time in return for bernice giving her a hard time. And what Luann has been doing, bernice, is called transference.
TampaFanatic1 about 5 years ago
Aggressive, dominant and controlling? Sounds like Luannâs friend Tara when they are hanging out. Bets may be the alpha in her dynamic with Gunther but wasnât Rosa as well for that matter. Gunther needs to assert himself more but I hope Luann does not meddle with his relationship with BetsâŠ..
blunebottle about 5 years ago
Score one point for Bern.
Troglodyte about 5 years ago
Bernice is being herself. Unfortunately, she canât seem to help it. :D
kenhense about 5 years ago
Another round of ego tennis anyone?
dadoctah about 5 years ago
Do this weekâs strips qualify as the comics equivalent of a âbottle episodeâ?
sueb1863 about 5 years ago
If she looks aggressive in the photos, they should see how sheâs treating Gunther in real life.
derdave969 about 5 years ago
When I say something nasty itâs freedom of speech. When you say something nasty itâs bigotry.
ForrestOverin about 5 years ago
Some friendships hit an âExpiration Dateâ.
Aibohphobia about 5 years ago
So, I think Team E is helping us realize that what we have been thinking about Bets is what other people in cartoon land are thinking too. I am reminded of when Bernice was dating Derick (yâall remember him?). I think I remembered reading that Greg created him because he couldnât destroy one of his already established characters.
Katecst about 5 years ago
If Bets and Gunther are at a Con doing cosplay, they are supposed to be in character. Bets is supposed to be a hero/villain and both would be dominating/aggressive/controlling. Gunther needs to get in character.
Aibohphobia about 5 years ago
I do find it a bit strange that Luann is obsessing over these posts. Unless the point is that Bets is posting so much that her pictures have flooded Luannâs social media.
lars_doyle about 5 years ago
neither of these girls have a boyfriend so what we see here is nothing but jealousy. Gun and Bet are out creating an exciting life together and the two stay at homes are having trouble adjusting to that reality. Especially Guntherâs transformation into Gun. Gunther was also the quiet nerd kid who was a safe male friend for the girls. Now, Gun is exciting. Yep, they are having a hard time adjusting to Gunâs exciting life.
Aladar30 Premium Member about 5 years ago
Finally two of Guntherâs oldest friends have noticed that something is wrong. Now I wonder what they will do. Try to ask Gunther if he has some problems with Bets? Continuing at looking for evidence by involving others (like Tiffany and Les) in the investigation? Wait and see what will happen? For now, Bravo Luann that has noticed.
Fiammata about 5 years ago
âPossessedâ isnât the same as âpossessiveâ G&KâŠ. !
h.v.greenman about 5 years ago
Betsâ body language is Aggressive, Dominant and ⊠and how come Gun is tied to that weird X shaped frame?
Tyge about 5 years ago
Sometimes mirrors work two ways! Gotchaâ Bernie! :o)
cubswin2016 about 5 years ago
I believe what Bernice is doing is called rationalizing.
Airman about 5 years ago
Same girls, same place, bigger words.
Tyge about 5 years ago
Making a fine point. Bernice is indeed making an observation about body language and not taking that step forward to assign the appearance to the person. Luann is being (mildly) judgmental in that she is assigning a characteristic to an observation. Bets may show other body language that is not possessed and bossy.
That being said. Luann is probably correct in this case.
P,S, Itâs OK to judge; prudently.
CreativeChef about 5 years ago
Anyone expecting Gunther to be aggressive is in fantasy land. Remember when Luann was on Guntherâs bed and their lips were almost touching, he was afraid to kiss her. If Luann kissed Gunther, there would have been fireworks and Greg would have had to censure the scrip
Also, when kids grow up together they rarely develop romantic interest with each other and tend to look elsewhere for romance
Wizard of Ahz-no relation about 5 years ago
the problem is Betts loves the attention and gunther is not so sure about it. That she is unaware of his discomfort is the problem with the relationship.
wtepps about 5 years ago
Great, instead of being happy for him, his âfriendsâ are thinking up ways to let him know that this girl isnât right for him. Canât simply mind their own business.
jonesbeltone about 5 years ago
Bern has it down-playing off responsibility with âprofessional observationâ. Sheâs ready to start getting paid to screw up other peopleâs lives eg. a therapist.
WilliamVollmer about 5 years ago
Bernice you claim to being âprofessionalâ when YOU are analysing Betts in those instagram-like pictures. 1) you arenât a professional-yet. 2) in any case insât you criticizing Luannâs observations,then making the same yourself, the pot calling the kettle black?
eladee AKA Wally about 5 years ago
Judgy. Both of them.
mjb515 about 5 years ago
So Bets is a Strong Female Protagonist?
luann1212 about 5 years ago
Hilarity ensues in how the last panel is the laugh line to the first two (too early, canât remember the actual theatrical term), and using the interplay between two old friends who make the observation is really great. What it means? Well perhaps not really that much between Luann and Bernice, altnough Luann needs to see the obvious in terms of possible relationship-JackâIMHO, but the it is a comment on the dynamic between Bets who is dominant in the relationship with Gunther, who is submissive? I am not so sure about that, but Gunther will react at some point; how remains a question.
stealth694 about 5 years ago
Luann says âTomatoâ,, Bernice say âTomaatoâ.
eladee AKA Wally about 5 years ago
So are these two going to decide they need to âsaveâ Gunther from the clutches of this evil aggressive girl?Stay âtoonedâ!!!!!!
circleM about 5 years ago
I guess we know why Bets and Les didnât make it is because Les canât be pushed around like Gun.
Code the Enforcer about 5 years ago
Bossy ⊠Judgy ⊠Observy??!! :)
Queen of America Premium Member about 5 years ago
Why does Luann keep looking at the pictures? If you donât like creamed corn, donât put it on your plate and then complain about it.
6foot6 about 5 years ago
Women are judgy by nature. more of it comes from their own personal short comings.
YorkGirl Premium Member about 5 years ago
Wondering if this posting, viewing, commenting will continue, or will there be a really bad post. Will we go back to the action, or find ourselves in another Luanniverse. Please.
Mayor Snorkum about 5 years ago
Bets can come control me whenever she wants. Sorry, Lu-babes, youâre outclassed.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member about 5 years ago
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Luann is IMO being a bit âjudgyâ as Bernice suggests. For me, this has been shown by her words today (âGeezâ) and at other times over the last few days. And, as Bernice is suggesting by her rather neutral facial expressions todayâŠ. her statement about her body language being aggressive, dominant, and controlling does read as if she is speaking only of her visual observations of what Luann is showing her.
I tend to see Bernice as not having any particular stake in the Bets-Gun relationship⊠so her observations do seem to be mostly thatâŠ. observations. Luann seems to have other motivations than just observation.
SoâŠ. what will ensue (besides âhillarityâ)?
1. Perhaps Luann in the lead and Bernice as âwingmanâ will go to the event and confront Bets?
2. Perhaps Luann as starter and Bernice as observer will go and try to âcounselâ Gunther into how he is being âmanipluatedâ by Bets?
3. Perhaps Luann will start her own channel on social media to try to âout-Betsâ Bets at her own media game?
Not really sure. Probably none of the above⊠but I have no other ideas at this point.
Rauderi about 5 years ago
TIL: The difference between âjudgyâ and âdrawing a conclusionâ is evidence.
Uncle Bob about 5 years ago
âPoor baby, All alone. Throw a hungry dog a bone, itâs still a bone. Weâre the only tenderness heâs ever known. Poor babyâŠâ - Stephen Sondheim. âCompanyâ
COL Crash about 5 years ago
Thanks Bernice for pointing out that significant difference. I was feeling guilty about being so judgy since I know itâs wrong. Now I can justify my vehement opposition to our Commander in Sleaze as just me being keenly observant of his flaws which have always been obvious to me.
RSH about 5 years ago
common Bern try to give credit where credit is due
Joe1962 about 5 years ago
Thatâs rich coming from Luann.
Jogger2 about 5 years ago
Bernice, what is Bets like when she isnât playing a superhero?
WilliamPennat about 5 years ago
Psych majors are infallible by definitionâŠ.
Ellis97 about 5 years ago
Looks like Luann isnât the only one who is being judge mental.
rozthebabysitter about 5 years ago
Iâm wondering if Betâs character an extension of her personality, or an âalter-egoâ?
STACEY MARSHALL Premium Member about 5 years ago
Gunth is like a dog on a leash to Bets, just another prop for her cosplay.
bakana about 5 years ago
When Bern is being âJudgyâ, she awards scores like 9.5 and 4.0 âŠ
Moon57Shine about 5 years ago
Do I detect a note of jealousy on Luanneâs part?
sallymargret about 5 years ago
Shouldnât Bernice, of all people, be saying âjudgmentalâ instead of âjudgyâ?
BlitzMcD about 5 years ago
She took him for granted before. But now that Gunther is suddenly not available, she is indignant about it.
Caldonia about 5 years ago
Oh God! All these characters are insufferable! Gunther, for claiming to be a ânice guyâ (if you have to say you are one, you are definitely not a nice guy). Bets, for spending time with Gunther; what a mistake, he may end up stalking her and sending her creepy texts late at night. Luann, for being so naĂŻve all the time, and caring more about what other people think than about looking after her own needs. And finally, Bernice! She sounds like a moron! She didnât learn this body language sh-t in class, she learned it from playing around on the internet! That sh-t isnât what you learn in psychology courses. But at least the internet tests can tell you what Hogwarts house you belong to. So, letâs check in on Knute! Frazz is a janitor, too, and Knute is bound to be a better hero than him!
PhoenixHocking about 5 years ago
Without getting too philosophical (or psychological) here â if women are drawn to men like their fathers, and men are drawn to women like their mothers â what does this say about Bets and Guntherâs relationship? Guntherâs mother is extremely dominant and controlling; so it Bets. So you have to wonder if Betâs father is a push-over, so thatâs what sheâs subconsciously looking for in a man, i.e. someone she can control, because thatâs how things are supposed to be. I could be wrong. Maybe this is a match made in heaven after all. But I doubt it. Iâd rather see Gunther grow a pair and ditch the chick and find someone who will bring out his manliness, not try to tie it to a bedpost. Oh, and I refuse to use âGun.â Itâs a silly attempt at power and control on Betâs part, as if Guntherâs own name isnât quite good enough for her.
wantcomicsnow about 5 years ago
Yeah, right Bernice! YOUâRE not a snarky, judgemental cow with an over inflated sense of her own superiority, not YOU! (heavy, heavy sarcasm here, in case anyone missed it.)
Sisyphos about 5 years ago
Go away, Bernie. You are obnoxious.
Yes, I am being judgmental. So?
nisedc about 5 years ago
I donât like Bets. I never have. I canât help it. I would like to admire her for being assertive, confident and creative, but Iâm having trouble seeing past the bossy and possessive.
Orcatime about 5 years ago
Semantics at its finest.