On 10/03/2019, Frank and Ernest told school children that learning is a lifetime process, it’s only the graduation ceremonies that end. Wiley’s kids are going to have it tough.
For what it’s worth, I always hated that term, The Real World. I mean, it’s all the real world. College is a lot of hard work, and frankly, post college work was much easier than college itself, with less intense pressure. Even my kids said the same thing, so it’s not just a generational thing.
“Alma mater” is Latin for “kindly or nourishing mother.” To a very significant degree, schools are focused on fostering the development of the students in a sheltered & nurturing environment, or at least they should be. It’s generally the opposite out in the real world, especially in employment. IRW, one is no longer “special” and the focus is at best only incidentally on one’s personal development – often it’s not the focus at all – the focus is on getting the job done and producing a profit for one’s employer. There are those who simply can’t handle that shocking transition and then fall off the cliff.
I quot my job and took the summer off after I graduated from high school. Never regretted it. After starting college, it was one thing after another until I retired. Even then, I worked a part time job for another eight years.
I was an older student in college, not by a lot, but I’d lived on my own for about 3 years before attending, so I knew a little about paying bills and broken down cars and having to make difficult choices. I’d listen to my classmates talking about what it would be like in the “real world” and I thought about the slap of reality ahead of them. THAT would be a real education…
More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly …
It is merely a healthy concern for the predicament of modern man. (Modern man is here defined as any person born after Nietzsche’s edict that “God is dead,” but before the hit recording “I Wanna Hold Your Hand.”) …
Put in its simplest form, the problem is: How is it possible to find meaning in a finite world given my waist and shirt size?This is a very difficult question when we realize that science has failed us …
Religion too has unfortunately let us down. … I often think how comforting life must have been for early man because he believed in a powerful, benevolent Creator who looked after all things. Imagine his disappointment when he saw his wife putting on weight ….
I didn’t experience such a precipitous drop after graduation. I started my own lawn mowing business at 12 and worked frying hamburgers at 15. I enrolled in Work/study in High School and during college worked as a reader for the blind. So when graduation rolled around, there was more of a slide than a cliff.
From someone who knows a lot of young people who are smart and motivated and have both learned & “seen stuff” let me tell you that that is nowhere steep enough. Far too many employers in many businesses I know who still are using pandemic staffing levels and grinding up employees just to keep profits up. Overhead is high but there is some serious BS going on in the workplace just to feather the nest of some already rich folks that goes oh so much beyond that
After hs graduation I attended college for 2+ years. Quit in ‘57, beat the draft notice and joined USAF with stations in 2 states and a foreign country. Enrolled in college level courses most years. Mustered out in ’62 and enrolled at a mid-sized southern ivy thinking I should get back in the degree groove to prep for future. Instead I spent 3 years in what seemed to be another planet, wondering how in the world anyone who went directly from hs to college degree ever really knew what was waiting on the outside. The so-called ’liberal arts’ program had absolutely nothing to do with what was ahead for most students.
For the star pupil, the dedicated artist or scientist, medical student, law student, or musician, yes, wholeheartedly, stick it out. But those years taught me that, while a college education is a gift that brings new insights and new experiences, it is not necessarily good preparation for the downright gritty working world for the average person.
Thus, in my experience, the idea of taking a ‘break’ year is not as self-serving as it sounds. I recommended my rural school students to take that year – or more – to try different jobs and locations, new places, new faces, living on one’s own, meeting the daily needs for food, rent, transportation, i.e., all the ‘ingredients’ of the rest of one’s life. That worked for lots of us.
I don’t know which would be worse right there. A chasm or a cliff. I do know that a lot of job opportunities opened up after I got my bachelor’s degree. I didn’t spend crazy money on it though. In all the times I interviewed for a job, the actual college I graduated from never came up. I did have to fax a copy of my degree a couple of times.
“Welcome to the Real World,” she said to me, condescendingly. “Take a seat, take your life. Chart it out in black and white.”
I wanna run through the halls of my high school, I wanna scream at the top of my lungs, “I just found out there’s no such thing as the Real World, just a lie we have to rise above!”
There is a real world, and it’s around us all right now. It’s the one that deserves to be taken seriously, not blown off as worthless in favor of the completely unsubstantiated afterlife promised by the wild imaginings of the scam artists who run religions.
There are always options and personal experiences and preference will always drive the option chosen (at the time).
My choice after high school was to join the Air Force and go to the flight simulator maintenance tech school (and what a fun job that was!). At that time college was simply not on my radar, I was too busy spinning up on my job with a ton of OJT and a longish correspondence course plus some time in the trenches once I was fully qualified.
After I finished my first four years and re-enlisted for another four I did start college (working toward an electrical engineering degree). On my next PCS move I had to change my degree plan to computer science (because there were no engineering programs at my new location).
It took me twelve years to finish that undergrad degree while working full time (plus TDYs, more PCS moves and another tech school when I changed career fields). I also managed to slip a couple of associate degrees in (pretty much for free) while working thru the undergrad program.
Taking my time like that spread out the cost and I could pay for it as I went with some help from military tuition assistance and the GI Bill.
The graduate degree went a bit quicker, taking just under three years to complete (so no PCS move to slow it down further). But I was still working full time and there were a few TDYs in the mix.
When I got to the research paper at the end I sorted out a deal with my boss to take leave every Friday which I dedicated to working on that paper (I always had a ton of leave on the books, well not so much after I finished). It took about six months to finish the paper at that rate (I did work on it at other times of the week but Friday was my “heavy lifting” day). And again, by taking only one class, sometimes two, a term and paying as I went there was no debt when I finished.
Sometimes the options we chose change as we gain work and life experience, just chose what works best for you right now and the rest will follow
C over 1 year ago
Taking a flyer
David_the_CAD over 1 year ago
I remember that feeling.
Long ago in a galaxy far, far away…
Ratkin Premium Member over 1 year ago
Ma-trick-you-lation.
Botulism Bob over 1 year ago
On 10/03/2019, Frank and Ernest told school children that learning is a lifetime process, it’s only the graduation ceremonies that end. Wiley’s kids are going to have it tough.
cdward over 1 year ago
For what it’s worth, I always hated that term, The Real World. I mean, it’s all the real world. College is a lot of hard work, and frankly, post college work was much easier than college itself, with less intense pressure. Even my kids said the same thing, so it’s not just a generational thing.
Superfrog over 1 year ago
You won’t need the hat.
Alexander the Good Enough over 1 year ago
“Alma mater” is Latin for “kindly or nourishing mother.” To a very significant degree, schools are focused on fostering the development of the students in a sheltered & nurturing environment, or at least they should be. It’s generally the opposite out in the real world, especially in employment. IRW, one is no longer “special” and the focus is at best only incidentally on one’s personal development – often it’s not the focus at all – the focus is on getting the job done and producing a profit for one’s employer. There are those who simply can’t handle that shocking transition and then fall off the cliff.
Uncle Kenny over 1 year ago
I quot my job and took the summer off after I graduated from high school. Never regretted it. After starting college, it was one thing after another until I retired. Even then, I worked a part time job for another eight years.
danketaz Premium Member over 1 year ago
Just watch that first step.
ArcticFox Premium Member over 1 year ago
He’s a real cliff-hanger.
fred.grenouille over 1 year ago
There should be alligators and sharks swimming around off the end of the stage.
Scorpio Premium Member over 1 year ago
Kick you out into the real world with that 500KG anvil of debt around your neck
cherns Premium Member over 1 year ago
https://youtu.be/dl3mRjydcPw?t=129
keenanthelibrarian over 1 year ago
There’s an old joke – “What did the Law graduate say to the Arts graduate?” “I’ll have a large French fries with that ..”
Count Olaf Premium Member over 1 year ago
Congratulations on your graduation. Now your education begins.
mwest over 1 year ago
I was an older student in college, not by a lot, but I’d lived on my own for about 3 years before attending, so I knew a little about paying bills and broken down cars and having to make difficult choices. I’d listen to my classmates talking about what it would be like in the “real world” and I thought about the slap of reality ahead of them. THAT would be a real education…
Walrus Gumbo Premium Member over 1 year ago
Congratulations Lemmings of 2023.
dot-the-I over 1 year ago
More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly …
It is merely a healthy concern for the predicament of modern man. (Modern man is here defined as any person born after Nietzsche’s edict that “God is dead,” but before the hit recording “I Wanna Hold Your Hand.”) …
Put in its simplest form, the problem is: How is it possible to find meaning in a finite world given my waist and shirt size?This is a very difficult question when we realize that science has failed us …
Religion too has unfortunately let us down. … I often think how comforting life must have been for early man because he believed in a powerful, benevolent Creator who looked after all things. Imagine his disappointment when he saw his wife putting on weight ….
(Woody Allen’s, “My Speech to the Graduates”)
For a Just and Peaceful World over 1 year ago
@ high school grads: avoid liberal arts degrees. They are worthless.
mrwiskers over 1 year ago
I didn’t experience such a precipitous drop after graduation. I started my own lawn mowing business at 12 and worked frying hamburgers at 15. I enrolled in Work/study in High School and during college worked as a reader for the blind. So when graduation rolled around, there was more of a slide than a cliff.
Egrayjames over 1 year ago
I’m an alumni of The University of Wossamotta, Class of 1973.
dflak over 1 year ago
I had a whole week between graduation and reporting for active duty. Well, at least I got paid for that week.
andy.capone12 over 1 year ago
I’m sharing this with all the HS students I counsel who think life is easier after High School
Out of the Past over 1 year ago
I studied like a lunatic in high school and college. I thought working in the real world was much easier. Except that #&%@# drive.
WickWire64 over 1 year ago
From someone who knows a lot of young people who are smart and motivated and have both learned & “seen stuff” let me tell you that that is nowhere steep enough. Far too many employers in many businesses I know who still are using pandemic staffing levels and grinding up employees just to keep profits up. Overhead is high but there is some serious BS going on in the workplace just to feather the nest of some already rich folks that goes oh so much beyond that
Grandma Lea over 1 year ago
Education is what survives when what has been learned has been forgotten. B.F. Skinner
comixbomix over 1 year ago
Guess what animal the school mascot is…
sandpiper over 1 year ago
After hs graduation I attended college for 2+ years. Quit in ‘57, beat the draft notice and joined USAF with stations in 2 states and a foreign country. Enrolled in college level courses most years. Mustered out in ’62 and enrolled at a mid-sized southern ivy thinking I should get back in the degree groove to prep for future. Instead I spent 3 years in what seemed to be another planet, wondering how in the world anyone who went directly from hs to college degree ever really knew what was waiting on the outside. The so-called ’liberal arts’ program had absolutely nothing to do with what was ahead for most students.
For the star pupil, the dedicated artist or scientist, medical student, law student, or musician, yes, wholeheartedly, stick it out. But those years taught me that, while a college education is a gift that brings new insights and new experiences, it is not necessarily good preparation for the downright gritty working world for the average person.
Thus, in my experience, the idea of taking a ‘break’ year is not as self-serving as it sounds. I recommended my rural school students to take that year – or more – to try different jobs and locations, new places, new faces, living on one’s own, meeting the daily needs for food, rent, transportation, i.e., all the ‘ingredients’ of the rest of one’s life. That worked for lots of us.
ladykat over 1 year ago
Mind the first step, it’s a doozie!
mindjob over 1 year ago
That step has been replaced with stairs that lead right to their parents basement
oish over 1 year ago
For those who relied upon Cliff Notes to graduate
vaughnrl2003 Premium Member over 1 year ago
I don’t know which would be worse right there. A chasm or a cliff. I do know that a lot of job opportunities opened up after I got my bachelor’s degree. I didn’t spend crazy money on it though. In all the times I interviewed for a job, the actual college I graduated from never came up. I did have to fax a copy of my degree a couple of times.
mistercatworks over 1 year ago
Can you hock your diploma to make that first loan payment? :(
fritzoid Premium Member over 1 year ago
“Welcome to the Real World,” she said to me, condescendingly. “Take a seat, take your life. Chart it out in black and white.”
I wanna run through the halls of my high school, I wanna scream at the top of my lungs, “I just found out there’s no such thing as the Real World, just a lie we have to rise above!”
(John Mayer)
TheCoosBayBachelor over 1 year ago
More appropriate would be a cubicle with a gerbil wheel. After that, those grads will find their footing.
Prof. Mementomori's Deep-Fried Pressure Suit over 1 year ago
Makes me wonder if it’s better to be graduated first — or last — from one of my ol’ alma maters, The School of Hard Knox at Heart Knocks.
Richard S Russell Premium Member over 1 year ago
There is a real world, and it’s around us all right now. It’s the one that deserves to be taken seriously, not blown off as worthless in favor of the completely unsubstantiated afterlife promised by the wild imaginings of the scam artists who run religions.
rlaker22j over 1 year ago
no jumping into The fray
viniragu over 1 year ago
More like back to Mom and Dad’s basement!!
NickelAlloy over 1 year ago
Someone once told me that the purpose of college is not to educate you but to prepare you to begin learning,
enigmamz over 1 year ago
To all college graduates, welcome to the wonderful world of debt payments!
willie_mctell over 1 year ago
Where’s the pit of alligators?
Rich Douglas over 1 year ago
That’s why they call it “grad school.”
AndrewSihler over 1 year ago
And on top of it all, coming to grief while wearing a ridiculous costume.
AMBER1 over 1 year ago
Don’t forget about the “Student Loans”.
comicalUser over 1 year ago
Schools really should teach us the skills necessary to actually survive in the world. Why do a lot of things have to be “figure it out for yourself”?
T... over 1 year ago
Keep it moving, keep it moving, keep it moving…
sml7291 Premium Member over 1 year ago
There are always options and personal experiences and preference will always drive the option chosen (at the time).
My choice after high school was to join the Air Force and go to the flight simulator maintenance tech school (and what a fun job that was!). At that time college was simply not on my radar, I was too busy spinning up on my job with a ton of OJT and a longish correspondence course plus some time in the trenches once I was fully qualified.
After I finished my first four years and re-enlisted for another four I did start college (working toward an electrical engineering degree). On my next PCS move I had to change my degree plan to computer science (because there were no engineering programs at my new location).
It took me twelve years to finish that undergrad degree while working full time (plus TDYs, more PCS moves and another tech school when I changed career fields). I also managed to slip a couple of associate degrees in (pretty much for free) while working thru the undergrad program.
Taking my time like that spread out the cost and I could pay for it as I went with some help from military tuition assistance and the GI Bill.
The graduate degree went a bit quicker, taking just under three years to complete (so no PCS move to slow it down further). But I was still working full time and there were a few TDYs in the mix.
When I got to the research paper at the end I sorted out a deal with my boss to take leave every Friday which I dedicated to working on that paper (I always had a ton of leave on the books, well not so much after I finished). It took about six months to finish the paper at that rate (I did work on it at other times of the week but Friday was my “heavy lifting” day). And again, by taking only one class, sometimes two, a term and paying as I went there was no debt when I finished.
Sometimes the options we chose change as we gain work and life experience, just chose what works best for you right now and the rest will follow
eddi-TBH over 1 year ago
It’s a long drop and just getting back to “still among the living” is a longer climb every year.
franki_g over 1 year ago
the real world is rappelent
Sailor46 USN 65-95 over 1 year ago
And that’s why participation trophies are a bad idea.
TIMH over 1 year ago
“Soon we’ll be out, amid the cold world’s strife. Soon we’ll be sliding down the razor blade of life”. Tom Lehrer
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] over 1 year ago
School should prepare you for work life. It doesn’t.
bakana over 1 year ago
So, that’s why they scheduled this year’s graduation on the Roof.