She never said anything that most people would disagree with, so why did the room clear out? Maybe Wiley didn’t want to say anything that was truly controversial because he was afraid of cancel culture.
I can’t tell. Were they MAGA Republicans or “woke” Democrats? I find both to be similarly closed-minded and unwilling to deal realistically with reality. A pox on them all.
I know that you believe the facts that you wanted to hear but I’m not convinced that you realize that the truth you think you heard was not what you meant.
Why bother attending? If you’re a true-believer of a political philosophy (no matter what that philosophy may be) you already have the " Unvarnished Truth." What are you going to hear there that you didn’t already know?
It’s not easy. When any human is threatened or feels attacked, our ears close and we go into Protection Mode.Plus, when we’ve invested years of our lives into a given belief, it’s really awful to face that it might not be true. It feels like wasted years and/or anger that we’ve been mislead. I’ve known many people who would rather continue to believe rather than face and deal with the loss & anger.Of course, nothing is really wasted. We learn, develop character and depth from errors and grief. We just have to be brave enough to go through the process.
And I believe ALL of us have areas that need clearer understanding, continued growth and revision BUTThat’s not easy when we feel attacked.
thus Trump supporters throw over the furniture before trying to through over the U.S. of A. They’re still trying with GOP endorsement. The threat is from within, how does one fight that? They could be a neighbor or even a family member lying in wait for the denouement.
Infallibly, it’s profoundly rude to confront people with reality and “The Truth.” Invariably, they much prefer their agreeable lies, even if they know full well that they’re lies. It’s ever been thus and forever will be…
The previous commentatore could change his name to Boris? I’m too old for this MAA or woke, so I can fall back on Vonnegut or Kierkegaard or whatever Absurdist comforts me. Peggy Lee sang “Everybody Has the Right to be Wrong”, but I listen on my headphones. So why does Alexander wish a pox? Isn’t that the same murderous or harmful thing? It’s funny, man!
Our government was first run by the educated and wealthy leaders. As that number grew and we became a nation of laws, the lawyers took over. Law-101 clearly preaches that winning an argument is #1. #2 states that if you can’t win, make sure you gain a concession that’s almost as good. When we were led by statesmen who under stood that, those two directives were followed.
Until a decade ago, we elected leaders and then forgot about them until the next election time. Today, campaigning is continuous; and it makes every Joe and Karen think they’re a part of the process. Celebrity status in sports and entertainment has morphed from selling shoes and cars to selling a national agenda. Now we have our neighbors thinking they’re experts in economics, geology, medicine, and world politics. The really unfortunate part is that our elected leaders aren’t any better.
I like to watch Ancient Aliens for two reasons (1) they go to some very neat places and expose parts of history with which I might not be familiar and (2) I find it comical when I see the leaps in logic they take to conclude that everything including the law of gravity has an extraterrestrial cause.
I also get this same comical sensation when looking at news from various sources.
Like the Trump-Russian Collusion lie that the Leftists and Media propagandized to keep Trump from upsetting their destruction of America to further Communistic Globalization?
Shouldn’t the sheeple be angry at Democrats, RINOs, and the MSM for lying to them to manipulate them, and stop hating the first patriot in decades who was being successful in halting the nation’s decline?
I really wish I could find the reference explaining this phenomenon, but I don’t remember where I saw it and my record of it disappeared in a hard drive issue. There was a neurological experiment done and reported a few years back on cognition patterns where they wired up different people and walked them through a logical discourse to see what brain use pattern they would record. One of their findings was that when dealing with ‘true believers’ in anything the subject would follow the discussion just fine, using the logic centers of the brain, until there was an element that went against that belief. At that point the active portion of the brain changed completely, from the logic pathway to the emotional ones, and the subject could no longer follow the discussion.
How many people refuse to stop smoking because that would mean facing the truth that their habit makes it more likely they will suffer a long, painful death?
The idea that ‘I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it’ used to be a thing here in the good old USA. In fact it pretty much defined what Freedom of Speech is all about. But now with young people demanding that speakers at public events be restricted to only people who toe a certain ideological line, and with the supposed adults caving in to them instead of using it as a teaching point about what our liberties mean in action, I fear that the American Experiment in Democracy is about to reach it’s end. And that makes me very sad, indeed.
With the Internet so easy to use as a fact checker, a bias checker, and a source to answer “cui bono?” questions only a fool who’s being led by charlatans wouldn’t use it to keep from being led like sheep to slaughter. But it’s the charlatans who fight hardest to discredit using the Internet in the doing if exactly that.
Why does using these scare those who tell you not to use them or those who lie about them? Maybe Giuliani saying that “The truth is not the truth” was just propaganda and another part of their Big Lie. Maybe everyone should use these simple tools to find out things.
I think that fact and truth are pretty much what’s wrong. We don’t want to change the facts, we want to change reality so that the facts are different. Fact: I have no coffee. Change: I go to the store and get coffee. Fact: I have coffee.
Unfortunately, politicians and news media outlets of all stripes have never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Equally sad is the fact that the public will accept the lie as gospel truth if it coincides with their own preconceptions and prejudices!
To: Alexander the Good EnoughYou claim MAGA Republicans don’t live in “Realville”; Based on what? We believe in science: 1. You ARE what you were born as. 2. There are TWO sexes: male and female. [Surgery and hormone treatments DON’T change this; That is why 40% of people who get “sex change surgery” kill themselves.] 3. An unborn human baby, IS an unborn human! 4. Putting up a wall WILL prevent criminals from bringing drugs into the USA; It will also stop hordes of “line jumpers” from flooding into the USA ahead of those who apply to LEGALLY live here! 5. The evidence shows that the Earth’s magnetic field is weakening letting more solar wind and cosmic rays enter, and THIS changes the climate; AND, the latest theory which most aligns with the measured evidence is: The solar system passes through a galactic magnetic current and dust wave every 12,000 years, which causes the Sun to micro nova. [If you want something to really worry about, it has been 12,000 years since since the last micro nova. The survivors will be able to keep from freezing using simple natural fuels such as coal and oil, after technology and ‘green’ solar panels and wind turbines are destroyed.]
If all you pea brained hacks would just get a good look at the Hubble telescope deep space photos and realize what is there in just a small segment of what is all there, you may realize what what idiots you are…
If you were to run a politician for office, that told nothing but the truth(this IS theoretical), the public would rip him to pieces because he didn’t tell their truth!
It’s not Facts vs. Beliefs that’s the problem – it’s the winners vs. losers mentality. People don’t just want to believe one thing, they want to utterly destroy anything contrary to it.
Is it burying my head in the sand that I just now blocked a Facebook poster selling “Let’s Go Brandon” shirts and toques? Just seems a ridiculous exercise in Dem-baiting.
Does Wiley determine his success on a given day based on how many comments he manages to stir up…rather like poking an ant hill to see how many run? He really hit a nerve today.
What does the First Amendment permit and forbid? Whatever the U.S. Supreme Court says, and they can’t agree, either. Case in point: Is nude dancing protected by the First Amendment.
eastern.woods.metal about 3 years ago
Start with critical thinking.
sirbadger about 3 years ago
She never said anything that most people would disagree with, so why did the room clear out? Maybe Wiley didn’t want to say anything that was truly controversial because he was afraid of cancel culture.
Alexander the Good Enough about 3 years ago
I can’t tell. Were they MAGA Republicans or “woke” Democrats? I find both to be similarly closed-minded and unwilling to deal realistically with reality. A pox on them all.
Superfrog about 3 years ago
I know that you believe the facts that you wanted to hear but I’m not convinced that you realize that the truth you think you heard was not what you meant.
marilynnbyerly about 3 years ago
To misquote Monty Python’s Gumby, “Their brains hurt!”
Bilan about 3 years ago
The hard facts have to be followed by everybody, not just the other side.
hangedman about 3 years ago
Never let the facts get in the way of the truth.
in.amongst about 3 years ago
Ah yes – the cold embrace of hard facts. Not everyone’s cup of tea, is it!?!
Alabama Al about 3 years ago
Why bother attending? If you’re a true-believer of a political philosophy (no matter what that philosophy may be) you already have the " Unvarnished Truth." What are you going to hear there that you didn’t already know?
shanen0 about 3 years ago
Politics, eh? So was 2018 the last mostly fair and peaceful election in America?
How do the #zombies of the #fake_GOP feel about peaceful democracy in a republic?They’re against it.
A failed insurrection of losers is still an #Insurrection.
Bullet Bronson Premium Member about 3 years ago
Tough crowd.
Cornelius Noodleman about 3 years ago
She shouldn’t have worn that pink dress.
franki_g about 3 years ago
It’s not easy. When any human is threatened or feels attacked, our ears close and we go into Protection Mode.Plus, when we’ve invested years of our lives into a given belief, it’s really awful to face that it might not be true. It feels like wasted years and/or anger that we’ve been mislead. I’ve known many people who would rather continue to believe rather than face and deal with the loss & anger.Of course, nothing is really wasted. We learn, develop character and depth from errors and grief. We just have to be brave enough to go through the process.
And I believe ALL of us have areas that need clearer understanding, continued growth and revision BUTThat’s not easy when we feel attacked.
Charlie Fogwhistle about 3 years ago
Wiley, you hit the nail on the head this time, and a great many of the commenters prove your point. “It’s my way or the highway!!!”
Walrus Gumbo Premium Member about 3 years ago
Truth doesn’t play well with others! It doesn’t compromise for your convenience!
FreyjaRN Premium Member about 3 years ago
Color me unsurprised.
Can't Sleep about 3 years ago
“It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they were fooled.” – Mark Twain.
jessie d. about 3 years ago
thus Trump supporters throw over the furniture before trying to through over the U.S. of A. They’re still trying with GOP endorsement. The threat is from within, how does one fight that? They could be a neighbor or even a family member lying in wait for the denouement.
loudmouthbass about 3 years ago
Dr. Levine?
Alexander the Good Enough about 3 years ago
Infallibly, it’s profoundly rude to confront people with reality and “The Truth.” Invariably, they much prefer their agreeable lies, even if they know full well that they’re lies. It’s ever been thus and forever will be…
sandpiper about 3 years ago
The light of reason is often masked by skepticism, the latter being far more prevalent than the former.
unfair.de about 3 years ago
Believe can’t be truth, since then knowledge superseds believe. The proof that God exists ends religion.
chets3dogs Premium Member about 3 years ago
The previous commentatore could change his name to Boris? I’m too old for this MAA or woke, so I can fall back on Vonnegut or Kierkegaard or whatever Absurdist comforts me. Peggy Lee sang “Everybody Has the Right to be Wrong”, but I listen on my headphones. So why does Alexander wish a pox? Isn’t that the same murderous or harmful thing? It’s funny, man!
ewaldoh about 3 years ago
Our government was first run by the educated and wealthy leaders. As that number grew and we became a nation of laws, the lawyers took over. Law-101 clearly preaches that winning an argument is #1. #2 states that if you can’t win, make sure you gain a concession that’s almost as good. When we were led by statesmen who under stood that, those two directives were followed.
Until a decade ago, we elected leaders and then forgot about them until the next election time. Today, campaigning is continuous; and it makes every Joe and Karen think they’re a part of the process. Celebrity status in sports and entertainment has morphed from selling shoes and cars to selling a national agenda. Now we have our neighbors thinking they’re experts in economics, geology, medicine, and world politics. The really unfortunate part is that our elected leaders aren’t any better.
LawrenceS about 3 years ago
No one ever went broke telling an audience what it wanted to hear.
dflak about 3 years ago
I love it. It works both ways.
I like to watch Ancient Aliens for two reasons (1) they go to some very neat places and expose parts of history with which I might not be familiar and (2) I find it comical when I see the leaps in logic they take to conclude that everything including the law of gravity has an extraterrestrial cause.
I also get this same comical sensation when looking at news from various sources.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member about 3 years ago
When I’m told I’m wrong, I don’t spew, I check it out. If I am wrong, I thank the person who corrected me and move on.
Lenavid about 3 years ago
Like the Trump-Russian Collusion lie that the Leftists and Media propagandized to keep Trump from upsetting their destruction of America to further Communistic Globalization?
Shouldn’t the sheeple be angry at Democrats, RINOs, and the MSM for lying to them to manipulate them, and stop hating the first patriot in decades who was being successful in halting the nation’s decline?
Or can they simply not handle the Truth?
webunkn Premium Member about 3 years ago
We’ll start with this: RO vassines will NOT stop this pandemic cold. Hello? Where’s everyone going??
Curiosity Premium Member about 3 years ago
I really wish I could find the reference explaining this phenomenon, but I don’t remember where I saw it and my record of it disappeared in a hard drive issue. There was a neurological experiment done and reported a few years back on cognition patterns where they wired up different people and walked them through a logical discourse to see what brain use pattern they would record. One of their findings was that when dealing with ‘true believers’ in anything the subject would follow the discussion just fine, using the logic centers of the brain, until there was an element that went against that belief. At that point the active portion of the brain changed completely, from the logic pathway to the emotional ones, and the subject could no longer follow the discussion.
awcoffman about 3 years ago
To those who embrace falsehood, anyone who proclaims the truth is “biased.”
Masterskrain about 3 years ago
Yup, they’re all Qpublicans.
ajr58(1) about 3 years ago
Gaelic storm, Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story: https://youtu.be/clfP7HGCNck
carlzr about 3 years ago
How many people refuse to stop smoking because that would mean facing the truth that their habit makes it more likely they will suffer a long, painful death?
JoeStoppinghem Premium Member about 3 years ago
With the internet, social media etc., people can read, hear, watch what they believe, not what they need to know.
Jim2g about 3 years ago
Democrats suck the life out of the people
Charlie Fogwhistle about 3 years ago
The idea that ‘I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it’ used to be a thing here in the good old USA. In fact it pretty much defined what Freedom of Speech is all about. But now with young people demanding that speakers at public events be restricted to only people who toe a certain ideological line, and with the supposed adults caving in to them instead of using it as a teaching point about what our liberties mean in action, I fear that the American Experiment in Democracy is about to reach it’s end. And that makes me very sad, indeed.
Display about 3 years ago
With the Internet so easy to use as a fact checker, a bias checker, and a source to answer “cui bono?” questions only a fool who’s being led by charlatans wouldn’t use it to keep from being led like sheep to slaughter. But it’s the charlatans who fight hardest to discredit using the Internet in the doing if exactly that.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
https://www.opensecrets.org/
Why does using these scare those who tell you not to use them or those who lie about them? Maybe Giuliani saying that “The truth is not the truth” was just propaganda and another part of their Big Lie. Maybe everyone should use these simple tools to find out things.
laskeans about 3 years ago
I don’t think it matters which side it is supposed to be. THAT is the joke.
Sun about 3 years ago
Truth, Facts: Marxist Disciple Democrats deny them. Instead, Marxist Disciple Democrats embrace Lies, and Delusion.
vaughnrl2003 Premium Member about 3 years ago
I think that fact and truth are pretty much what’s wrong. We don’t want to change the facts, we want to change reality so that the facts are different. Fact: I have no coffee. Change: I go to the store and get coffee. Fact: I have coffee.
Free or Not? Premium Member about 3 years ago
THE TRUTH shall MAKE YOU FLEE!
(not as good as “The Truth shall set you free”, but it is a sad reality today).
LKrueger41 about 3 years ago
No! No! Shut up! Never mention Igor Danchenko!
Durak Premium Member about 3 years ago
Too bad facts don’t have the same effect in goComics comments section.
mrwiskers about 3 years ago
And the lazy pols who spend their precious public time whipping up discord instead of focusing on critical issues.
Linguist about 3 years ago
Unfortunately, politicians and news media outlets of all stripes have never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Equally sad is the fact that the public will accept the lie as gospel truth if it coincides with their own preconceptions and prejudices!
RussHeim about 3 years ago
There’s always a catch . . .
car2ner about 3 years ago
there are more than 2 sides to truth. Truth doesn’t care what we think about it
robhanold about 3 years ago
maybe it was just a PTA meeting.
dflak about 3 years ago
There is a word for when people believe in “hard facts [that] refute what you believe is true.” Republicans call that being WOKE.
Llama of Fashion about 3 years ago
But only if the hard facts agree with my truth!
“You’re saying it’s a falsehood. . . . Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts.” — Kellyanne Conway, Jan. 22, 2017
“Truth isn’t truth!” — Rudy Giuliani, Aug. 19, 2018
And it just slid downhill from there . . . . . . . .
Ubintold about 3 years ago
Joe Biden said he preferred “truth over facts”.
brooklyn51 about 3 years ago
Only tell me the truths I want to hear.
David P. McLaughlin about 3 years ago
To: Alexander the Good EnoughYou claim MAGA Republicans don’t live in “Realville”; Based on what? We believe in science: 1. You ARE what you were born as. 2. There are TWO sexes: male and female. [Surgery and hormone treatments DON’T change this; That is why 40% of people who get “sex change surgery” kill themselves.] 3. An unborn human baby, IS an unborn human! 4. Putting up a wall WILL prevent criminals from bringing drugs into the USA; It will also stop hordes of “line jumpers” from flooding into the USA ahead of those who apply to LEGALLY live here! 5. The evidence shows that the Earth’s magnetic field is weakening letting more solar wind and cosmic rays enter, and THIS changes the climate; AND, the latest theory which most aligns with the measured evidence is: The solar system passes through a galactic magnetic current and dust wave every 12,000 years, which causes the Sun to micro nova. [If you want something to really worry about, it has been 12,000 years since since the last micro nova. The survivors will be able to keep from freezing using simple natural fuels such as coal and oil, after technology and ‘green’ solar panels and wind turbines are destroyed.]
JudyAz about 3 years ago
That’s one huge exit door! Or kindergarten-size chairs.
mpolo11 Premium Member about 3 years ago
Story on NPR yesterday along these lines.
ChessPirate about 3 years ago
She got cocky…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJJ0LY8TiIE
Wizard of Ahz-no relation about 3 years ago
You can’t handle the truth!
schaefer jim about 3 years ago
They are Neo Nazis, they have a hard time with the cold hard facts.
wsedrel Premium Member about 3 years ago
“Woke” Dems don’t lie through their teeth. I don’t always agree w/ them (I’m a former GOP), but…
cmxx about 3 years ago
So many folks believe that changing their minds or admitting they were wrong means that they are, or will be perceived as, weak.
Rand al'Thor about 3 years ago
“We choose truth over facts!”
chain gang charlie about 3 years ago
If all you pea brained hacks would just get a good look at the Hubble telescope deep space photos and realize what is there in just a small segment of what is all there, you may realize what what idiots you are…
mikeywilly about 3 years ago
If you were to run a politician for office, that told nothing but the truth(this IS theoretical), the public would rip him to pieces because he didn’t tell their truth!
dja1701 about 3 years ago
It’s not funny because it’s true.
Vangoghdog01 about 3 years ago
It is not the facts, it is how those facts are spun.
Mediatech about 3 years ago
“What is truth?” – Pontius Pilate
Ka`ōnōhi`ula`okahōkūmiomio`ehiku Premium Member about 3 years ago
At first, I thought she was talking to a religious group.
Will_Scarlet about 3 years ago
It’s not Facts vs. Beliefs that’s the problem – it’s the winners vs. losers mentality. People don’t just want to believe one thing, they want to utterly destroy anything contrary to it.
patriots_aren't_partisan about 3 years ago
The room was filled with Facebook users.
sisterea about 3 years ago
It is unfortunate jusst how true this is
Plods with ...™ about 3 years ago
’bout right
syzygy47 about 3 years ago
Is it burying my head in the sand that I just now blocked a Facebook poster selling “Let’s Go Brandon” shirts and toques? Just seems a ridiculous exercise in Dem-baiting.
aunt granny about 3 years ago
Too many of the comments illustrate the point.
Stat_man99 about 3 years ago
Looks like a Democrat convention—bombard them with FACTS that destroy their BELIEFS and they turn moot.
bwsevier Premium Member about 3 years ago
Way too big a proportion of the human race falls into that type – politics are immaterial.
kentmarx36 about 3 years ago
FACTS!?!? Republicans don’t need no facts … They just get in the way of their stupidity.
harebell about 3 years ago
Does Wiley determine his success on a given day based on how many comments he manages to stir up…rather like poking an ant hill to see how many run? He really hit a nerve today.
calliarcale about 3 years ago
Ain’t that the truth. One thing humans hate is to be wrong.
bakana about 3 years ago
Here’s to our New Truth, Same as the Old Truth!
Charlie Fogwhistle about 3 years ago
What does the First Amendment permit and forbid? Whatever the U.S. Supreme Court says, and they can’t agree, either. Case in point: Is nude dancing protected by the First Amendment.
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/27/nude-dancing
aussie399 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Shortest demmy meeting in history